John F. Kennedy in 1960 - A time when Democrats could be proud of their candidate

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  1. perotista

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    I was born right after WWII and still have fond memories of JFK. That was an entirely different political era. JFK averaged a 70% job approval for his almost 3 years in the white house. Even republicans approved of the job JFK did as president average a 53% overall job approval. I grew up under Eisenhower who also averaged a 63% job approval for his 8 years and 54% job approval from Democrats. Those two presidents I still rank as one, two as the best presidents I personally experience in my lifetime. No other president comes close.


    That political era will never be seen again. That was back when both parties had their conservative and liberal wings. The democrats had their solid conservative south, the republicans their old Rockefeller liberal republican northeast. When the democratic party was known as the big tent party, the republicans were the country club party, the party of business. How times have changed. One thing is for certain, neither IKE nor JFK would recognize their respective parties today nor would they understand the modern political era this country has entered into of polarization, the great divide along with the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship. They wouldn’t understand or condone all the negative personal attacks our political campaigns have turned into. I miss that political era.
     
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    The Vietnam War marked the great divide. There always was a large liberal contingent at many universities, but it got a huge boost from the on-campus peace movements. The demonstrations and teach-ins began with an anti war messages but quickly pivoted to “The world is bad, and all of our problems are caused by capitalism.” Every anti war event I attended ended up this way, whether it was a march in Philadelphia or teach-in in the dorm recreation room.

    Many students of my generation were anti-war, but most of them didn’t buy into the far left message. Those who did, however, tended to go to graduate school and became the professors for future generations. They spread the radical message which moved down to the high schools.

    The attitude these people bring to table is very ridged. “We’re right; You’re wrong. Shut up, agree or knuckle under, or we will cancel you.”

    The far left economic system has changed. The state owned means of production has become old fashioned. The Soviet Union and Empire had collapsed under the weight of the inefficiencies of its centrally controlled communist system, and China learned that adopting aspects of capitalism provided them with riches they could have never hoped to obtain.

    Now the goal is for government control the activities of the private sector through taxes, regulations and moral persuasion.
     
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    Are you aware of the American empire*?


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/
     
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    Propaganda puffery. The fact is, it was the conservatives who turned their backs on South Viet Nam and abandoned them when the technocrats in both Parties allied to do in Nixon and purge both Parties of the evil populists. The GOP got Reagan and Bush, Democrats got Carter and Clinton, all of whom extended the Too Big To Fail narrative that began in 1960 and encouraged monopolies and trusts. Marxists are just as corporatist as the Kochs are, which is why all those multinationals love Red China; cheap slave labor is a very desirable business environment for global business owners.
     
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    What this Vietnam vet says is consistent with what that video says.

    A Vietnam Vet. 20 Million Viewers Watched His Story Start To Finish



    It also fits the pattern of American imperialism. I wasn't there but I'd bet that the info in the top link in post #21 reflects reality.
     
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    Meanwhile the GOP is the party that gave the world Nixon, GW Bush and Trump

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    OK Nixon is obvious, and you hate Trump. Would you care to outline your problems with GW Bush?
     
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    Apart from two interminable wars that were not even where the enemy was?
     
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    Just because somebody served somewhere hardly makes them an expert on strategy and policy. All it means is he has an opinion. The info in post #21 is merely regurgitating manufactured talking points, and most of them were seeded by Pravda and other left wing media. Using terms like 'American imperialism' is just another example of fake narratives. Commies call every ting they hope to destroy 'imperialism n stuff'. Well, except their own blatant imperialism.
     
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    Read the info in the footnote in post #28. In most countries that info is just basic. Any American who lives abroad for a few years can learn about it just by talking to people. Outside of the US there's nothing more amusing than a group of Americans discussing politics.
     
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    Probably meant "W" as opposed to Bush senior, although the father was not much better considering how he staged the Panama invasion secret from Congress.
     
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    According to you. Most people outside the U.S. need baby sitters, and can't even feed themselves.
     
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    And if the US had supported Vietnam against the French colonialists and abided by the Geneva agreement to hold a referendum to unify Vietnam, instead of wanting to nuke the Vietnamese and bomb China and then supporting a corrupt police state in South Vietnam, then the memorial war to futility in Washington wouldn't have been needed.
     
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    The US govt is controlled by the lobbyists, and the biggest lobbyists at that
    time were Esso and the 'defense industry'.

    Esso needed the oil fields in the shallow sea south of Vietnam, and
    the weapons makers needed to drop tons of bombs and fire zillions
    of bullets, so avoiding war was not on the agenda.
     
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    lol and Ho Chi M in's govt. wasn't a corrupt police state, and neither was Mao's ... lol okay whatever.
     
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    Actually it was the Soviets sponsoring Ho; the Red Chinese came along later, when LBJ's escalation finished off the Viet Cong in 1968 and the Soviets were going bankrupt under Brezhnev's mismanagement and the defeats of their Arab client states by the Israelis. The Arabs blamed Moscow for their losses, being feckless idiots. If anybody needed those oil fields, it was Red China, and even then they would need western oil industries to exploit those fields. they were off-shore.
     
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    Exactly. And since South Vietnam was a corrupt elite police state, is why the US imperialists were never going to win since they didn't have a clue who or why they were fighting. And when Nguyen Cao Ky returned to live in Vietnam he said the war against the Vietnamese was "instigated by foreigners, it was brothers killing each other under the arrangements by foreign countries." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_Cao_K%E1%BB%B3
     
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    So why didn't the US support the Vietnamese against the French colonialists when Ho asked them in 1944?
    And LBJ's escalation was never ever going to finish the Viet Cong in the American war against the Vietnamese since they were South Vietnamese fighting the corrupt police regime in Saigon.
     
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    And like WW1 gave the world Hitler and his Trump-like rallies and proud boy brown shirts.
     
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    lol
     
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    It did, it supported the South. You don't know anything about the war, do you? The VC were finished in 1968, their last gasp was their Tet offensive failure. Get over it.
     
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    And that's why the American Imperialists slunk back home and built their memorial wall to futility in Washington. But like the song by Eric Bogle, alas they haven't learnt anything yet and are about to select another Hitler.
    "Well the suffering, the sorrow, the glory, the shame
    The killing, the dying, it was all done in vain,
    For Willie McBride, it all happened again,
    And again, and again, and again, and again."

    https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervi...7FFEE48E8EAAEE455A477FFEE48E8EAAE&FORM=WRVORC
     
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    Were you there? You obviously know nothing at all about the American war against Vietnam, and the fact that the Viet Cong were the South Vietnamese standing up against the elite corrupt police regime in Saigon who didn't support the South Vietnamese and were just the puppets of the American Imperialists.
     
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    lol
     
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    lol obviously you weren't born then and know squat about it. Come back when you know something besides just parroting slogans n 'imperialism n stuff'.
     

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