Johns Hopkins Study: US Was Most Prepared Country in the World for Pandemics

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Or you could stop dodging and actually back up your implied allegation that I am lying instead of relying of backhanded vagueries and demands that I read an article to figure out what lies you think I am saying.
     
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    It's right there in black and white, nothing vague at all. You are the one dodging.

    I have no patience for dishonesty cloaked in feigned ignorance. Educate yourself.

    Reread my post, and read the article 10x if that's what it takes to sink in.
     
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    Let me know when you have something to back that up. Here's my list of Trump **** ups (with sources).

    Trump and his political appointees repeatedly lied about the virus: 1 and 2.
    They repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus: 1 and 2.
    They repeatedly touted the benefits of the virus: 1 and 2.
    They repeatedly contradicted health experts: 1 and 2.
    They repeatedly placed the lives of Americans at greater health risk: 1 and 2.
    They repeatedly slowed the start of testing because of ineptitude and political self-interest: 1 and 2.
    They dismantled the epidemic response team, attempted to cut health budgets, and dismissed the expert on Chinese Viruses: 1, 2 and 3.
    They repeatedly politicized the virus: 1, 2 and 3.
     
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    Oh, I see. You think I lied when I said Trump used the word "hoax" while discussing the virus and when I said Trump tried to cut the budget of the CDC.

    Nope. He definitely did use the word "hoax" while discussing the virus: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/

    And he definitely tried to cut the budget of the CDC: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
     
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    The United States was as prepared as any republic can be that is not a fascist state. Or in other words, with freedoms come a host of various irresponsible attitudes, habits, and activities. It takes an actual nationwide emergency to shock such a nation into a more all around practical sort of mindset and habits, to correctly prioritize vital supplies industries and made hard choices. The less freedom a nation allows its citizens the easier it is to become practical and efficient in nature. Cold blooded but efficient. The more freedoms the more impractical and inefficient. It's not rocket science. Considering the amount of freedom enjoyed by the average U.S. citizen as a matter of course, this nation has responded efficiently.
     
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    Well yes; anyone can see that who bothers to look at an infection map. Anyone bothering can also comprehend that the early self-isolation and social distancing routines worked out by the CDC, the Trump administration, and state governors has worked efficiently to SLOW DOWN the nationwide rate of infections. That aside, anyone bothering to crunch numbers can see that due to the nature of the responses inside the United States the ratio of infection to resulting deaths is extremely low. So far so good.
     
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    The U.S. has almost seven times more people than Italy. If we have more cases, that doesn't necessarily mean we’re handling this poorly.
     
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    Welllllll . . . nobody expects anyone belonging to the political Left to be fair or balanced in regards to honestly analyzing what's happening inside the United States or why. After all they do have a 2020 presidential election to try and win regardless of what damage their political fanaticism causes to this nation during the process . . . and more important for the realists among them the House of Representatives to try and hold onto.
     
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    You mean like restricting entry into the U.S. from China while the political Left HOWLED in outrage and called him a racist?
     
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    Very well said.

    One of the trickiest parts of this has been balancing freedoms vs precautions (which was exacerbated by the fact some people have no common sense, and some are simply selfish *******s.) In this regard, Trump was going to be damned if he did and damned if he didn't. We have some people hoarding toilet paper and hand sanitizer and scared to death the world will end, others partying it up for Spring Break, idiots eating fish tank cleaner, and now we've got a bunch of selfish bastard New Yorkers heading to Florida. We had people fighting Trump's travel restrictions, raising hell at the thought of tightening the border, and crying that we should take in all of the sick cruise ship passengers ---- and then we had people who wanted more travel restrictions (and sooner), wanted the border locked down to essential travel only, and who wanted to leave the cruise passengers to be treated on the ships ---- and then we had Trump in the middle trying to find sanity and balance, while our f*cking politicians were falling over each other to politicize this in hopes of unsettling Trump. What a country we live in, eh?

    I've got to give Trump credit for how well he has handled this. But the people who are hellbent on politicizing this can rot in hell, Pelosi first.
     
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    It was useless, the results speak for themselves.

    Maybe one day a historian will say that Trump did the right things to contain the epidemic, but for now, the US is the fastest growing place in the world for the pandemic.
     
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    I nominate this reply as post of the week. Very nice!
     
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    The ration of infection to deaths is not a metric that one should rely upon, at least not within a country that is just starting to see the surge of cases, at this point in the game. It assumes one of two outcomes: Infection or Death. But if you have the virus, you can still die by the virus.
     
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    There are whole host of metrics that one can use to evaluate the response of the country to this virus, but the raw confirmed count and the cases per millions are two such metrics - which is why I cited Italy and China.
     
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    You can also die from a lightning strike or voting for Dem Party policies.
     
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    Does it look like I forgot to turn my caps off?
     
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    You implied? That would require me to assume which I try not to do.
     
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    I mean...I did say I trust them about as far as I trust the US numbers in light of the lack of testing.
     
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    I agree that the numbers for testing are only good for one thing and that is maybe figuring out a mortality rate.
     
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    The accuracy of this study is clearly flawed if that's the outcome. The shortage of tests available and the lack of leadership at the federal level alone have demonstrated the US is clearly one of the least prepared for pandemics.
     
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    So I went and looked at the study.

    Yes, it puts the US at the top spot for being ready for a pandemic.

    The problem is when you actually read the report you realize that your the least worst of the rest of the world.

    https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/02/27/trum...-coronaviruscovid-19-649-em0-art1-dtd-health/

    Hrmmm. That last bit seems kind of relevant to the US current situation.
     
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    You might stutter .
     
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    That’s what happens when you have to wait for Putin’s approval .
     
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    The “fake media” as you call it believes in science. That makes it more trustworthy then Fix or any Trump bumper .
     

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