Johnson's top aide says lawmakers can't stop no-deal Brexit - Sunday Telegraph

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  1. Thedimon

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    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1UT0KE

    So, looks like Brexit is on trajectory to happen no matter what.
    British are finally breaking free from the EU!
     
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    Yes, they are totally against the democratic process. They were threatening to shut down Parliament to avoid it being able to do its job. The process to destroy the UK and create civil war in England continues. One thing is for certain, the people behind this are not people who care about the well being of the UK.
     
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    It was suspected even by May that putting into effect Brexit would cause severe disturbances in the UK. It is reckoned the situation is going to be far worse now. Not surprising then to see who Johnson has put in as Home Secretary - a woman who wants to make those she makes into criminals 'terrified', a woman who had only 2 years ago lost her position in Government for going against the norms on a visit to Israel, having meetings with Netanyahu and other Israelis and trying to get the UK to pay money into the hospitals Israel has for the medical treatment of AL Qaeda types and the funding of military equipment to them. What is the guessing this woman will start sending British police to Israel so that they will learn how to treat the civilians of the UK like Israel treats Palestinians - something many US States have already done resulting in results like Ferguson.

    Home secretary Priti Patel criticised over wish for criminals ‘to feel terror'
     
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    Great news. No one wants a no deal but in negotiation all options have to be on the table. This is why May failed, she was too weak and didn’t play her aces. The EU would also suffer heavily with a no deal, especially after this weeks figures regarding the drastically slowing European economy.

    It will look like a no deal up to the end of October and then something will happen.
     
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    Civil war? Terrorising Police Force?

    Calm down Alexa, we are no where near a civil war, there are a few hundred thousand vehement loud lefties/remainers online but most of the UK is sane and calm.

    God save the Queen
     
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    We have different beliefs. Johnson's recruitment of ministers goes with his own and those who follow him disrespect for Democracy. You will lose Scotland. You will lose N Ireland or get caught up in a war with them where you treat them as Israel treats the Palestinians. I do not think the people of England will put up with that. I am fortunate to live in Scotland and have the ability to escape the hell that is intended for England.

    Of course, there is no reason to believe this will work for Johnson and the English ethnic Nationalists. Even if it did, there is no reason to believe that these dregs of society would be in a place to run the country after the election. That would still leave one hell of a mess for everyone else to try and clean up.
     
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    Splitting from U.K. is no guarantee of membership in EU. Scotland would need to demonstrate strong economy - that’s after losing trade with EU and U.K.. It might take many years to rebuild, apply and then join the EU. They aren’t just going to take in a country with no experience of running own affairs and the country that has just had most of its supply chains broken.

    If EU was a charity organization where they’d be just giving money away than all former USSR countries would be members by now. ;)
     
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    https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...johnson/news/105705/no-deal-brexit-could-lead

    Downing street sources apparently claim this is a 'worst case scenario'. It is worth saying that this assessment was made before Johnson became PM and it is believed that the situation will be a lot worse than it would have been if we had left on March 30th.

    same link

    I am just off to order my winter veg to put in my raised beds!
     
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    They should support a no deal Brexit. It removes all the chains manipulated by the EU. The Brits will do just fine. They will trade with the EU if the EU wants it and they will trade with the rest of the world. Go UK.
     
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    FGS! It is understandable why people in the US, particularly the right wing would want the UK out of the EU and a puppet for the US instead - there desire has been to destroy the EU. In that they are in accord with Russia. The UK however would have far more sovereignty, power and economic security by being one of the big voices in the EU.

    I am not sure how a Labour led by Corbyn will work in this situation. It certainly would be hard for some years to deal with the mess. There again Bolton or Pompeo has already said they will make sure a Corbyn Government does not happen, possibly working with the Integrity Institute - or who knows putting starvation sanctions on the friendless UK.
     
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    I agree. I would like an amicable free trade deal that removes free movement and our inability to trade with the world. If they aren’t willing then we shall move on. I’m confident that we can get some wonderful trade deals to fulfil our needs. We are a nation of shoppers and shopkeepers. We are a huge customer for anyone looking to sell. It won’t be easy though and would require the country to pull together.
     
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    Not to mention the requirement to take the Euro. They wouldn’t ever qualify as you say based on their economy and they are in huge debt. Their deficit is twice that of the entire UK. Sturgeon is lying to her electorate.
     
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    The US isn't looking for puppets. We do like trade relationships. We even trade with your inimical country. I haven't seen any puppeteering. "starvation sanctions on the friendless UK." What bunch of nonsense.
     
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    It just kills me that some in Scotland think they’ll break from the U.K. and EU will wait for them with a hug.
    I was born in Ukraine. It was a “bread basket” of the USSR. Everyone thought it’s going to do great on its own.
    But lack of experience of running own affairs led to very high corruption, poverty and complete dismantlement of the military which led to Russia annexing Crimea and start a was in the Ukrainian east.
    While I would never advocate Ukraine to rejoin Russia ever again (because my opposition is more related to human rights), I’m pointing this out simply to show that there is a strong possibility that independent Scotland would not be able to join the EU for decades after it splits from the U.K. Ukraine still aspires to join but other EU nations are not so sure. Why would Scotland be any different? Because you think Scotland will have less corruption? How do you know? Independence creates a power vacuum in many areas that many people didn’t think through in advance, which creates an opportunity for corrupt officials to steal. It also breaks supply chains. Recovering from that is pretty difficult.
    If Scotland leaves immediately after Brexit it will be a double shot in the foot. If they truly aspire for independence and hope for it to work then they should wait for U.K. to stabilize itself after Brexit before even starting this conversation again.
     
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    Johnson says he will follow the letter and the spirit of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.
    The 'backstop' is in effect the Belfast/Good Friday agreement, simply another name for it.
    Johnson says the 'backstop' must go.
    It doesn't take a genius to work out that Johnson is going to get the UK to renege on an International Treaty.
    Either he is lying about the letter and spirit of the GFA, or he is lying about getting rid of the backstop and leaving, certainly leaving on what is laughably called 'no deal'.
    My guess at this moment is his betrayal of the International Treaty will happen. Yet this on the basis of what kind of majority exactly?
    On top of ushering back Irish conflict, he has absolutely no plan for the physical topography and geography the border is about, on that basis alone there will be no brexit...whatever grand declarations are made.
    Everything that is happening, the bribes and the lies are about power for Johnson and the Tories, I don't believe he gives a damn whether brexit happens or not (which it won't).
     
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    They can stop no deal Brexit by voting in favor of the EU's deal. Legitimately every other option leads to no deal now Boris is in.

    Of course, the deal is a joke, so this wont happen.
     
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    Who will start thw civil war?
    The house of lords?
    They can hardly wope the saliva from the corner of their mouth, they have take carers to do that for them.
    The people are for brexit, remember?
    And the bankers will get along, dont worry.
    They will find a way to still make loads of money.
    No civil war, but civil soceity, who follows democratic referendom might finaly emerge.
     
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    oops...
     
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    I got my dictionary out and I looked up two words, "Leave" and "Remain". I read their meaning and I couldn't find the word, "Deal".

    I had a gym membership and I decided to, "Leave". So I went to see the management to make a, "Deal". I wanted to leave and stop paying but still make use of the swimming pool and cafe. They said, "Get lost". Well, looks like my local gym understands the word, "Leave".

    When we leave, great news. Free up the EU membership to invest in the UK, £350m per week. Did you know, households paid £26bn in council tax, the EU membership is £18bn per year. The government could reduce your council tax by 69% after leaving the EU and not be any worse off.
     
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    Leave was the only thing on the paper. Nothing about any deals of any kind.
    So the problem brexiteers can't solve is when the EU is over there, and the UK is over here, where is the line of demarcation and how is it controlled.
    Brexiteers have no idea at all, so the EU won't be over there and the UK over here, they will remain joined, hence no brexit.
     
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    Brilliant – President Trump and PM Johnson Structuring Trade Deal to Commence November 1st…

     
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