Jordan. A model for Pandemic management

Jordan has had the strictest lockdown in the world, and they're about to fully re-open for business.

Their lockdown was total. No one was allowed to leave home for any reason, for two weeks. Beyond that two weeks, people were allowed out only to buy food - on foot. No vehicles on roads, period. If people had trouble getting food, food was delivered to them. Yes, people were hungry/angry at the time, but now they're praising their Health Minister as a hero, for doing what needed to be done. In a week's time it'll be as though no pandemic ever happened, while the rest of the world keeps crumbling.

Those still unconvinced of the importance of strict lockdowns, feel free to discuss/debate your argument here.

 

No takers? Interesting

 

Well, you need a link to something to be a valid thread in current events for starters...

Also wondering how food could be delivered to people if no one was allowed to leave home for any reason??

Assuming the military delivering food??

However, if this is true, good for them... Never, ever would have worked here...

 

If we could only get you to abide by their free speech lockdown.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/06/jordan-free-speech-threats-under-covid-19-response#

Under the April 15, 2020 decree, sharing news that would “cause panic” about the pandemic in media or online can carry a penalty of up to three years in prison. Since the declaration of an emergency on March 17, Jordanian authorities have detained two prominent media executives, a foreign journalist, and a former member of parliament, apparently in response to public criticism, as well as three people for allegedly spreading “fake news.”

 

I think it was military, doing food deliveries, yes. Links aren't needed, as their story is making news all over the world. You should have no trouble finding it.

Can't see why it wouldn't work elsewhere. It's a simple and very very efficient means of reducing the time span of a pandemic, so costs a lot less in the long run - not to mention all those lives saved.

 

Sure, because those journalists didn't like the lock down. The equivalent of a few people standing around waving 'here we are' flags during an air strike .. while everyone else is below them in bunkers.

Meantime, Western freedoms lose a little more value every day. At what point do we accept that without context for those freedoms (a safe life, full of choices), they have no value.

 

The 'lockdown' countries in your little chart are those which did far too little, far too late. The very reason they ended up so bad.

Notably, you haven't included any of the nations who went in hard and early .. like Jordan/Taiwan/Australia/New Zealand etc.

 

Taiwan was hit hard by SARS so they were highly motivated by fear and armed by experience. China owns Australia's Hospitals, so their data is about as reliable as the data available from China after Xi assassinated whistleblowers.

Your analysis is based on the premise that Jordan is just like the US except for their lockdown, yet you never backed that up. A huge difference between the US and any other country is that half of the US, the most densely populated half, is cooking the COVID-19 numbers to maximize the number of deaths attributed to the virus. In normal countries, leaders are trying to under count COVID deaths so they look like stars. Once we get rid of Democrat Governors, we'll have that fraud against the American people under control.

 

LOL you talk about Western freedoms and support silencing freedom of speech from the media. If they are so worried about silencing their media then I imagine they are overly concerned about what their numbers look like. Sounds like there may be some fudging to protect an image going on since they're willing and are willing to trample on basic human rights to do so.

 

Australia's figures are legitimate (I'm here, and involved).

At no point did I say that America is like Jordan. If you're commenting on population differences, you're going to need to measure Jordan against Sweden. Good luck with that.

 

Those journalists weren't trying to report on fudge figures, they were trying to oppose the lockdown.

 

There are several countries we could learn from. Strict lockdowns were the key to not blowing up the economy, like Trump did. You mention Jordan, I mentioned the case of Costa Rica before. The video below is about a month old. But as of today, there have been only six deaths due to Coronavirus in Costa Rica (country where I studied, married and lived for many years). The remedy was simply strict lockdown and universal healthcare.

I think when all this gets counted, the U.S. will have not only the greatest number of cases, but the most deaths of any country in the world.

Mismanagement was everything!

 

Brilliant! That's a very impressive response - well done Costa Rica.

They're saying that America has responded to COVID like a Third World country .. yet there are developing nations doing far better. The definition of 'powerful nation' may well be altered completely by this pandemic. China is doomed by her crucial history in all this, but countries like Denmark, Taiwan, Costa Rica, New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, Jordan, Thailand, etc may even come out of this as a new power base. Respective leaders of these nations are already holding group talks on a regular basis, and have been dubbed "First Movers".

 

They had an outbreak of malaria starting in 2017, something to do with migrants from malaria infected neighbors to mine gold. The Hydroxychloroquine treatment tamped down any COVID-19 outbreak. Africa has escaped major COVID-19 outbreaks despite China commerce in that continent. Saved by malaria.

 

Absolute nonsense! First of all, hydroxychloroquine is used in the treatment of malaria. Not to prevent it! You seem to believe that it was handed out to everyone, as if it were candy. That would have cause a huge number of dead because of the heart problems the medication produces.

Malaria was considered an "outbreak" because it's so rare in Costa Rica. The total number of cases during the whole outbreak of locally transmitted cases in the whole country was twelve cases!
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/new_info/2018/Costa_Rica_2018.html

The desperation on the right to try to justify the nonsense that Trump spews is beyond belief!

 

I've often thought that this could all be over if we bit the bullet and took extreme measures for a short time. The trouble is that we have no practical way to identify the asymptomatic carriers. If that was doable, I'd support a two week total lock down. But it isn't practical. It would take a lot longer than two weeks. It would have to last more like two months.

 

Source?

 

What a fun theory! A three year old malaria outbreak stopped COVID

 

In a complete lockdown, it doesn't matter who the carriers are - because they're not spreading it. No one is.

Agree it's not practical, but then neither are tsunamis. We can stand on the shore and complain that it's not practical to move to higher ground ..... or we can adapt in an instant to 'all bets are off'.

 

Who knew we had so many epidemiologists among us?

What is Jordan going to do when some Syrian with the virus goes to visit his mother in Amman? Going to lock down again?

 

The trouble is that in order to clear the asymptomatic carriers without mass testing, we would have to lock down completely for two months. If you could test everyone before coming out, it would only take two weeks.

It's not just a matter of not being practical, it isn't doable. We don't have the infrastructure to support something that long. It would certainly melt down into a civil conflict.

 

Jordan isn’t a free democracy. The curves are the same for every country lockdown or not. Governments cannot stop a virus.

 

Sure you can. If you isolate everyone for 6-8 weeks you can. The virus literally dies off completely. But no tourists could be admitted without a quarantine.

 

BTW. your signature is a lie. Do you care? LOL!

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...den-never-said-no-ordinary-american-cares-ab/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-constitutional-rights/
https://www.snopes.com/collections/democrats-say-these-things/