Ju liar Gillard ruins our health system - worst PM EVER

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  1. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    I must admit when i first heard about it i thought it was acceptable.

    That is that the people on good incomes dont recieve rebates on private health cover.

    But after lsitening to the pros and cons i think its yet another Julia Gillard plan that will,

    1. Suck money out of the tax payers
    2. Overload our public health system.

    By taking away the rebate she will force many of the people that had private health insurance to down grade or onto medicare, this will overstress the system.

    With people coming of the private health scheme or down grading this will cause private health cover to rise.

    She will also incerease the medicare levy surcharge on people with good incomes to force them on private health cover.

    I tell you what these bloody politicians will pass the bill because it doesn't affect them.

    I have said this many times before and i say it again.

    WE NEED MORE AVERAGE AUSTRALIANS IN PARLIMENT.

    FFS get rid of these doctors and laywers.

    I cant wait for this PM to be tossed out on her ear.

    Hail Gillard
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  2. bugalugs

    bugalugs Banned

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    Sure, Alan Jones has been know to hang around public toilets - but you shouldn't call him a "pro". And sure Andrew Bolt lost a racial vilification case - but he didn't go to prison, so he's not really a "con".

    You should show your idols more respect. After all - they do all your thinking for you.
     
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    culldav Active Member

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    I agree, but Gillard and her clown troop don’t have two axons between them so that explains their total incompetence which comes with low IQ’s.

    These clowns simply don’t have a clue how to Govern this country or that by doing what they propose will eventually cause a large percentage of those people onto medicare that will put my stress on an already highly stressed and burdened system.

    My father had had a adage for idiots like Gillard and her clown Ministers: “they wouldn’t be able to successfully run a brothel next-door to a pub”.

    None of these [politicians know what’s happening in the real world, because they are not exposed to the real world and have no understanding or empathy of what’s happening in the real world. That’s why we need people in parliament like scientists, doctors and teachers - not solicitors, which about 95% of them are.
     
  4. axialturban

    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    ALP has to try and save money desperatly since we are slipping further into debt. Logic does not enter the equation for them, only how to sell it to the braindead ALP supporters and somehow make the Libs look bad for the lefty TV media to get excited over.
     
  5. parker

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    Means testing private healthcare is a great idea. People on minimum wage should not subsidise private healthcare for the rich as they can already pay for it without the subsidy.

    Means testing private healthcare was in the 2010 election platform of the ALP and they delivering what they should they would and are balancing the budget.
     
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    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I like Gillard, but lets face it, she sucks as Prime Minister.
     
  7. bugalugs

    bugalugs Banned

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    So you think welfare for the rich is a good idea?

    Why?

    Why should taxpayers have to subsidise private medical care for households on over $250,000 a year?

    This wasteful spending should be removed. It is a legacy of the Howard years - the most wasteful spending government in our history



    Quiz yourself: economic and market facts

    Question 1:
    In what year, did the tax to GDP ratio reach a record high? Which political party presided over this record tax take?

    A: 24.2 per cent of GDP in both 2004-05 and 2005-06. The Coalition.

    Question 2:
    In terms of big taxing governments, in how many years since 1982-83 has the tax to GDP ratio been above 23.5 per cent?

    A: Seven

    Question 3:
    In relation to Question 2, in how many years did the tax to GDP ratio exceed 23.5 per cent under a Coalition government? In how many years did the tax to GDP ratio exceed 23.5 per cent under a Labor govenrment?

    A: Seven under the Coalition; zero under Labor.

    Question 4:
    Between 1971-72 and the latest budget forward estimates out to 2014-15, in how many years has real government spending fallen (using the Treasury preferred CPI deflator)?

    A: Five

    Question 5:
    With reference to Question 4, in how many years has real government spending fallen under a Coalition government? In how many years has real government spending fallen under the Labor Party?

    A: Zero under the Coalition, Five under Labor.

    Question 6:
    Since 1982-83, in how many years has the tax to GDP ratio been at or below 21.0 per cent?

    A: Six

    Question 7:
    In relation to Question 6, in how many years was the tax to GDP ratio below 21.0 per cent when the Coalition was in government? In how many years was the tax to GDP ratio below 21.0 per cent when Labor was in government?

    A: Zero under the Coalition, Six under Labor.



    ...and plenty more here:
    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3809288.html
     
  8. bugalugs

    bugalugs Banned

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    Maybe.

    But welfare for the very rich is wasteful spending.
     
  9. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    Hey bugs

    As usual your failing to see the big picture, at first i thought it was a good idea as well but,

    Taking away the rebate will force alot of people of private health care, people who otherwise were quite happy to pay the premiums and stay out of medicare.

    This in turn will drive up private health care with people dropping out or down grading which again will force more people of private health care and into medicare, this in turn will strain the system.

    So an attack on higher paid workers who are quit willing to pay the cost of private health cover will also be an attack on the public health care system in the end.

    That is the crux of the arguement bugs not because Al jones or Alex Guiness said so.

    Everything Gillard touches turns to sh!t for the average aussie, for a person aspiring to achievments she is just a great big FAIL.

    May the force be with you.
     
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    bugalugs Banned

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    Soooo....my kids are at a very expensive private school. And polo lessons and French excursions to Paris are pretty pricey.

    Should I be asking the government to give me a 30% rebate on their fees so I am not so much out of pocket.

    Sounds like a good idea.
    Don't be silly.

    Taking welfare payments from the very rich is not attacking anyone.

    Do you seriously think that people on over 250k a year are going to put up with shared rooms in public hospitals for the sake of a few bucks a week?

    I won't. Losing the welfare payments that I really wasn't entitled to doesn't bother me in the least. I would rather see my tax money spent on something useful - like infrastructure for the country.

    You know - the stuff that Howard neglected for 11 years while he was busy wasting mining income on buying votes with welfare for the rich. Like healthcare rebates.
     
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    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    The measure will affect singles earning more than $80,000 and families on $160,000 or more.

    Dont they means test your assets now?
     
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    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    Godwin's law activated. You automatically lose the debate.
     
  13. bugalugs

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    The measure will slightly affect singles earning more than $80,000 and families on $160,000 or more (they will still get a 20% rebate - welfare paid for by all Australians).

    The only people who lose the rebate entirely are famiies on over 250k and singles on over 129k

    If the legislation passes as expected next week, the means test will begin in July. It only begins to affect incomes well above average earnings, at $83,000 for singles and $166,000 for families. At that point the rebate falls by 10 percentage points, which would push up typical premiums by about $200 a year for singles and $400 a year for families.
    The rebate falls in another stage by a further 10 percentage points, then drops out entirely for singles earning more than $129,000, boosting the average premium for that group by about $600, and for families on $258,000 adding about $1200 a year to premiums.



    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...g-of-rebate-20120209-1rx80.html#ixzz1mRI7DY9J


    Whinging about this is just so stupid.

    Paying welfare to the rich is a terrible waste of money.
     
  14. axialturban

    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    It is silly. The rich pay way more tax then the poor and so its completely acceptable to use rebates to shape the uptake of private healthcare to improve the quality and capability of the public health system to better support the poor.

    Whats funny is how the ALP so desperatly needs to save money from their sinking ship that they have to screw the poor by making the middle class considering slipping back away from private healthcare.
     
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    bugalugs Banned

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    Oh - OK.

    So you agree that I should get a rebate for my children's private school fees.

    Is that right? I hope so. Tarquin needs a new polo pony.
     
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    bugalugs Banned

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    Huh?!?!

    Removing the tax burden to provide welfare for the rich is "screwing the poor"?!?!

    No - making everyone pay for private hospital rooms for the rich is "screwing the poor"

    You argument is nonsense. Welfare for the rich in indefensible.
     
  17. axialturban

    axialturban Well-Known Member

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    You seem to know what your talking about, thats makes one of us. Its a bit offtopic dont you think. Whats your childrens private school fees got to do with the healthcare rebate discussion?
     
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    LOL, I explain the reason why the rebate was introduced and it confuses you. That says a lot, it says you get your info from the ALP play sheet. I hate to tell you but its all BS and lies from the ALP. The rebate was introduced to get people out of the public system, so the public system could better cope with the people who could not afford private care - pretty simple isnt it? The ALP action puts pressure on the middle class to move back to the public system meaning longer delays for 'everyone' in the public health system.
     
  19. dumbanddumber

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    You mean i flunked with the very first post.:lonely:
     
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    Im' sorry . My apologies. I forgot you have trouble understanding things unless Alan Jones explains them for you.

    I just figured that since you are happy to have your tax money subsidising my private hospital care, my specialists and my wife's breast enhancements - I figured that you would also be happy to subsidise superior education for my children

    After all - I pay a lot of tax and I am easing pressure on the public education system.

    Thank you for being so generous to me. God bless you.
     

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