I am often wrong but I do know of a near death experience account that I believe can begin to bring Jewish scholars and Christian scholars significantly closer to each other than was the case in any point in time over these past eighteen centuries, (with the possible exception of the very day of Pentecost in which the Ruach ha Kodesh was given to the Ephesian era of the Bride of Messiah). http://www.politicalforum.com/index...l-prize-in-literature.542590/#post-1069675155
The Rothschilds: generations of nurturing Zionism By J. Correspondent | March 21, 1997 JERUSALEM — Without the Rothschilds, Israel's capital might hardly be the same. "Never has a family donated so much of its wealth to the making of history," commented Shimon Peres recently. The family rose to prominence in the 18th century, when Moses Anchel Rothschild and his five sons established a banking empire [as a result of and built on fraud] which soon became one of the most powerful in the world. The family's connection with the Holy Land began when Baron Edmond de Rothschild developed a deep interest in Zionism in the 1880s [Emphasis added] https://www.jweekly.com/1997/03/21/the-rothschilds-generations-of-nurturing-zionism/ and the Zionist state of israel was born by stealing the land from the palestinians Why is hitler so hated for 5000? Jewish whistleblower warns America about the Zionists https://thejewishpluralist.net/2014/07/david-ben-gurion-herzl-zionism-zion-matia-kam/ Orthodox Jews are completely against the atheist zionist state, I think therin lies the difference
Doesn't Zionism reject Judaism like the AntiJew? Judaism believes God will give Israel to the Jews and Zionism came a lot later and said they should take the land.
Since the Jewish opposition to Zionism is a topic not well-known, one must be grateful to Yakov Rabkin's study, A Threat From Within, that documents the teaching of the Orthodox rabbis who have, from the end of the nineteenth century up to the present day, rejected the Zionist claims for reasons that are properly theological. The pious rabbis known as haredim have produced a substantial literature that Rabkin has subjected to a careful analysis. The principal theological argument of the haredim is that the Zionists have transformed the religious messianism implicit in Judaism into a political nationalism and tried to replace the religious definition of Jewish identity by one that is secular and political. [You see this brand of mobocractic atheist statism out here every day hijacking every religion on the planet and repackaging them as secular to gain and hold iron-fisted political control in direct violation to long held religious practices.] According to the haredim, the exile of the Jews from the Promised Land has been imposed on them by God as a punishment for their infidelity to the Torah. Some of them even suggest that the Holocaust was a divine punishment for the stubborn refusal of so many Jews to observe the laws of the Torah. According to the haredim, the return of the Jews to the Holy Land is a messianic promise: it will therefore take place as God's doing, not be the result of a political movement or, even less, of military action. The conservative Orthodox congregations living in Israel refuse to recognise the Israeli State; they would prefer to live as distinct communities in a Palestinian state. https://muse.jhu.edu/article/239325/pdf [Emphasis added]
You never let this claim go, and you never prove it, except by demanding people redefine the word religion (and atheist) to fit your claim.
Zionism and Judaism are definitely different and I find it refreshing that you realize it. I wish more people did.
its not a redefinition, you simply ignore that its not popular usage, there is no requirement for it to be popular usage for it to be 'proper' usage.
I didn't say you can't define it however you want. You can. But it doesn't prove your point except by equivocation.
Incorrect, you are confused. Picking a definition from available definitions is not defining it how I want. Defending that choice is not equivocation. Wanna try again?
There is always a few in every group that you can find to support any view you want. Even FOX news has managed to find the few blacks that seem to support Trump. They give them endless air time, but no one with even half a brain believes that is what any significant number of blacks believe. Obviously most Jews support Israel, in spite of a few here or there that don’t.
Zionists would call people like him "self-hating Jews" because he's right and they hate the truth. Judaism and Islam are very similar. The Zionists promote hatred between Muslims and Jews. Zionism is the most anti-Semitic movement on the planet.
That's exactly what it is. Correct. Using it to pretend atheism is a religion in the same sense of what the rest of us English speakers call religions is equivocation. The lack of one belief does not a religion make. Neither does the the existence of one belief against something existing. Either way you define "atheist", it isn't a religion. Neither is Theism.
Right - that must be why most Jews are Democrat - along with half the Jews in Israel not liking the Zionists. your analogy is bunk - not applicable - based on strawman characterization of the situation
Traditionally Jews voted democrat. The parties have been doing a bit of a flip lately. The progressive democratic wing of the party lead in large part by the couple of Muslim members of Congress are against Israel. But your dreaming or lying if you don’t think most Americans , not to mention most Israelis fully support Israel. If Hamas and their followers continue to launch rockets into Israel instead of pursuing a realistic peace strategy , all you can do is keep dreaming and watching as Israel will continue to dominate the region for the foreseeable future.
Thanks for the appeal to "Most Americans" - who are politically "unaware" - to put it mildly but we are talking about how Jews feel - a group who is not "politically unaware" - at least w/r to Israel - and far more aware in general.. but that is another story. What part of whole lot of Jews are not Zionists - did you forget was the discussion ? and no they don't fully support Bibi .. which is why his Zionist party can not form a coalition. Hamas responds to Israel stealing land .. as the Zionists are won't to do .. how would you respond if someone stole your land ? Agree that Israel will continue to dominate - at least until we start arming Hamas better .. make it more of a fight .. those home made rockets are not exactly sophisticated military technology ..
Zionism is politics, Judaism is religion, the 50% you talk about would have to be the orthodox Jews who are powerless and enslaved by the zionists just like the rest of us.
