Julian Assange extradition order issued by London

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  1. The Scotsman

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    ...:D...that may occurred prior to his residency with the Ecuadorians...his bats aren't all the bellfry
     
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    Chelsea Manning stole the data assange published. Manning didn’t play the drama queen, faced the fire, and is a free man (woman) now.
    Assange would probably meet similar fate.
    But because assange was such a baby, he is still due to meet the judge even though his partner in crime already went through the system and is already free.
    Anyone who can do the “critical thinking” thing can see it for what it is.
     
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    I have seen no evidence against Assange that makes me think he is guilty of anything. I do not support this effort unless there is a hell of a smoking gun that has been kept out of the media completely. I haven't even seen in innuendo being reported that he somehow induced these people to turn over the pilfered documents. Without something substantial, I would toss this case if I were the Judge or find him not guilty if I were on the Jury.
     
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    Chelsea Manning was convicted and gave the details for his actions, which were documented and are a public record now.
    Assange acted like an owner of a street store selling stolen electronics. His crime is the distribution of data that did not belong to him. Manning stole the data (or, let’s call it a boom box) and brought it to assange to distribute (or sell the stolen boom box), which Assange did. Both committed a crime. Manning already did his time and is a free man/woman. It’s Assange’s turn now. Another example that illustrates Assange’s crime - let’s say Manning stole Metallica’s music in the form of the mp3. Assange starts a website where the music is distributed for free to all. Manning uploads stolen mp3. Assange’s website distributed it to thousands of people. Both, Manning and Assange committed a crime, and even though Assange never set his foot on the U.S. soil, his actions created an American victim (the band), for which the US government is obliged to pursue justice.
    No matter how you slice it, Assange is no hero and no fighter for the freedom of speech. All he is - is a trafficker of stolen data, data that does not belong to him. And that’s why he must meet the justice in the U.S. court room.
     
  5. Durandal

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    Assange is a hero for what he did. Governments of the world, including ours, need to be held accountable for what they do, and without people like Assange, we wouldn't have a clue about the BS they do. The longer I am on this earth, the more I realize that "national security" is code for "we don't want the peasants to know how we are manipulating them".
     
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    He exposed war crimes. And war criminals like Bush, Obama and Biden are still free to commit more crimes.
     
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    Meh. Has he ever exposed Russian corruption on his site?
     
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    We miss you, Julian.

     
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    He'd end up eating a polonium sandwich if he ever published Putin's dirty secrets.
     
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    Guantanamo under US jurisdiction?
     
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    Putin has no secrets. He is like an open book. For example, about what is happening today, Putin told everyone back in 2007 in Munich.
    He still does not hide what will happen. You just need to be able to listen. but do not puff out your cheeks. Western half-witted politicians, unfortunately, can only puff out their cheeks and say hello to ghosts.
     
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    Still off the air, isn't he?
     
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    Every charge is related to free speech .. so while the issue is not simple . it is almost about freedom of speech, press, information.

    The other issues in play are "Rule of Law" issues .. massive violations by this kangaroo clown show of a justice system .. in addition to going after freedom of speech.

    and thanks for posting " Assange faces up to 175 years" Proving what a kangaroo clown show out justice system is. The person that actually did the crime did 4 years after being convicted. Even a moron could figure out somethign is wrong with this picture.
     
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    To be honest, I think it is both. Publishing classified information for democrats hasn't really ever been a problem for them, even when it might be responsible to thousands of deaths during war time. The Assange case is likely different in that he simply published documents that he didn't himself steal. And unlike the Pentagon papers, the source didn't work for the publisher. So, in some respects, the shy was actually punished, although free gender reassignment does seem particularly harsh and punitive... I digress..

    There are many many examples of this behavior, and it seems interesting to me that wikileaks is being targeted, and yet the NYTs WAPO et al do this literally every day, with impunity. It does seem that there is a very double standard here. Alerting the world to the abuses of power does seem to be something that a first amendment defense should be able to squash. At the same time, unless Assange was actively directing what was stolen, I don't see a charge of espionage sticking. I mean, Hillary who? It comes to mind. And it forms a precedent.

    I feel for the Brits here. They obviously don't have a good out here, so likely the calculus is to simply punt it and get it off their books as a lingering liability.
     
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    Don't know. If he was kicked off TV, that's good. But what is the point of your post? Someone left TV - so what? For example, Larry King worked on the American TV channel, then moved to work in RT. What's so amazing?
     
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    Oh yes, it's great to outlaw telling the truth about a war and take people off the air who break said law. What a wonderful system that is.

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    Неведение - сила, is it not? ;)
     
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    Yeah .. totally Orwellian the way the US Media avoids the Truth about War - false narrative and propaganda ruling the day .. persecuting those that do try to speak the Truth .. such as Assange.
     
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    Your post is completely bonkers .. conflating copywrite law with freedom of speech in a nonsense analogy as while setting up an MP3 site is illegal .. publishing illegally obtained confidential information is not.

    The second piece of fallacious nonsense .. is the idea that if the act was illegal .. this would negate Assange's Hero status.

    So any way you slice it or dice it .. conclusions based on false and fallacious nonsense .. are not worth much. Assange is big time fighter for freedom of speech .. You on the other hand .. don't know what "Free Speech" is .. something that is made crystal clear in your post - but still manage to hate it :)
     
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    I suppose not .. since it is not illegal to obtain, receive and disclose classified information. Do you actually read what you type .. or do you just not realize that it is not illegal to obtain, recieve and disclose classified information ? Its called "Freedom of speech, press, information" mate .. this freedom that you hate :)
     
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    American prosecutors seem to see it the same way I do.

    But, you can always do this:
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    Its called "justice" for evil people .
     
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    What Assange did was freedom of speech. Manning is the one who stole the classified information and passed it on to Assange. Assange publishing on Wikileaks is no more illegal than the New York Times publishing the Pentagon Papers, or publishing hundreds of other stories based on leaked or stolen classified information.

    The DoJ take on this is bizarre, and I hope this nonsense gets shut down before there is an actual trial.
     
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    You have free speech as long as you don't dare expose criminal behavior of government officials. And military leaders.

    So essentially no free speech at all for the purposes of why we have free speech in the first place.
     
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    Meanwhile giraldo is living Scott free after giving away troop movements.
     
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