Julian Assange extradition order issued by London

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    ROFL ... ask the still existing fans of Stalin if he was a communist or not! What Answer will you get, eh?

    Sorry ...
    but this splitting hairs, as we call it in my country, is just ridiculous and superfluous.
    Do all of these variants that I gave as an example refer to the works of Marx and Engels? Yes they do and even you cannot deny that fact! So they all have the same core - dot and exclamation mark!
    If they do refer by right or not is a point of endless discussion and at least a point of personal view and rating!

    And the fact is also that the works of Marx and Engels are pure theory and can never be applied practically ... simply because they are against the basic instincts of mankind!
    And it is an undeniable fact that all attempts at practical implementation have failed, or ended in pure dictatorship, oppression and countless millions of deaths ... until today! And even in this book of fairy tales by Marx and Engels there is talk of the "dictatorship of the proletariat", isn't it?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good post .. in addition to your points .. the mass Rule of Law violations .. principles of Justice .. Political Prisoner BS .. This is a kangaroo clown show on the international stage .. Nations such as China being shown that it is OK to do such things .. get allied nations to abduct folks for speech they don't like ..
     
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    vis Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry, but Stalinism differs from Marxism in the following:

    1. According to Marx not every socialization of the means of production resolves the conflict between the productive forces and production relations. Marxism distinguishes administrative socialization from economic socialization. Only economic socialization contributes to progress, while administrative socialization harms it.
    2. Marxism is against to set the prices for goods by administrative methods. In Stalinism it was opposite.
    3. For Stalin the role of normal people in the society was reduced just to small elements . This was not the case for Marxism.

    There was nothing like labor camps (GULAG etc) that existed in Marx theory, but existed in the USSR. So I disagree with you that USSR could be called a Marxist state.
     
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    There are ultimately many examples of this kind ... unfortunately!
    One such other example is the International Court of Justice... a favorite target of dumbass Donald Trump as we all know.
    When it was set up in the 1990's, it was done at the express will and pressure of Washington... and of course, according to the US, anyone from any country on the planet could be brought before the court there on good grounds.
    After Clinton came Bush and after 9/11 there was suddenly a realistic possibility that US members could also be accused there, with complete justification, because the USA had demonstrably committed various war crimes.
    This is of course a no go for the USA and the criminal Bush Jr. once put a stop to it!
    If any military member of any other country commits war crimes, that is an international court matter...but if a US military member does it, that is an internal American matter and the international court no longer has any authority!
    What is something like that called again? O yes... hypocrisy!
     
  5. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    OK ... and how does Marx intend to enforce the "dictatorship of the proletariat" he proclaimed in his work?
    This statement alone proves that there are opponents of Marxism, of which Marx is also aware. And dictatorship, without exception, always means that one part oppresses another part for its own benefit...
    Of course, Marx doesn't write anything about "set up gulags and the like for this oppression of opponents" ... no, he doesn't write anything about practical implementation ... that was the task of all those who then tried to make his writings a reality! And no matter which variant of Marxism you take here, they all ended in oppression, such gulags, mass murder and all that!
     
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    So ....... you admit that you cannot distinguish Communist philosophy from Statlinsim - and with that, it proves my point that you know nothing about political philosophy and that you have never read the fine print but just a quick guck mal at the headlines. Was nun? Are you going to continue speaking gibberish :blahblah: and try to convince people that you know something or have particular insight? Yes, I am sure that is exactly what you are going to do.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's lots of criminals for whom opinions can be divided (ie the Unabomber) but that's a matter of the law, not popular opinion.
     
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    Talking about news in general - you believe Putin or you believe Western media?
     
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    In general I believe Indian or Medium East media when the matter concerns Europe as these are typically not biased towards anyone.
     
  10. Mandelus

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    :blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::blahblah:

    Are you able to read what other people write and also understand the content? I have serious doubts now ...

    Your quibbling attempt doesn't work for me and in the end you're just showing that you have no idea about the subject!
    You're talking about a philosophy here and that alone is ridiculous because it's an ideology and not a philosophy! Apparently you don't even know the difference between the two, otherwise you wouldn't write such nonsense.
    And what's next ... or in German "was nun"?
    Do you continue to play the ignorant smartass and try to convince people that you're a know-it-all? I think so, because that seems to be your nature with regard to the things you write here in the forum!
     
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    So is the Indian and Middle East media saying there's no war in Ukraine? That only Nazis are being killed? That Uncle Putin is a misunderstood man?
     
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    They do say that there is a war, but what the war in Ukraine has to do with Assange?
     
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  13. Mandelus

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    Be careful mate ...
    Without any doubt, the Russian media is just "bullshit propaganda news" ... but our Western mainstream media are also very good at spreading only half-truths, or deliberately not naming "unpleasant" facts, which then gives a completely different picture ... not to name western Fake News sites like Breitbart and so on.
    But here it was said that the forum colleague relies on media from India and the Middle East, i.e. expressly NOT on "Putin's Fairy Tale Propaganda News"
     
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    I have an excellent suggestion: You just continue believing that there is no essential difference between Marxism, Communism, Leninism, Stalinism, Socialism, Maoism, etc.
     
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    I think his point is that in the actual implementation on a nation wide level, they are indistinguishable.
     
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    Do as I say - Not as I do" foreign policy - and we were able to get away with it back when we were the pre-eminent world economic empire - the only game in town.. times have changed.. we are a falling empire .. not the only game in town no more.. hegemony gone down the tubes .. an emperor with no clothes in a way.. tippified in a way by Macron - representing the EU -- telling the class clown Biden to Shut up and get to the back of the room .. reacting to Biden using the term Genocide .. calling Putin a War Criminal

    The blaring hypocrisy in this case being that Biden actually is a war criminal .. ten times over compared to anthing Putin has managed thus far in his career.. Just a clown on a stage .. a sad reflection of reality.. ..oh but don worry .. sugar daddy gonna pony up 30 Billion.. as he races to damage the currency using the economic Nuclear Option..

    Pentagon wasn't to happy about the ICC calling out the Biden-Obama team for complicity in war crimes for Yemen.. havn't even gotten around to "Truth and Reconcilliation" in Syria yet .. that potatoe still to hot to handle .. Obama's Jihadist Proxy army - the Islamic State - did mass atrocity .. for years and years .. under caring love and protection - arm in arm with Brother El Saud.

    Heck Libya -- Turned that place into a full on Jihadist Vunderland.. dark age style .. slave markets and the works.. someone taking credit for that fiasco ?
     
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    Well ... I was for sure no fan of Obama and being for sure no fan of Biden ... but honestly: The worst President ever entered White House was Trump at least in my opinion.
     
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    Indian is overwhemlmingly poor and cowed by the authoritarian government there, which has a thing for imprisoning or killing journalists. I have rarely read anything out of India in english that was better than a below average Western analysis. Most of it is WAY worse than that.
     
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    No suggestion, because there is no essential difference at least. All are at least like a bad virus in different versions like flu or corona at least.
    But I have a suggestion that you still have no idea what the difference between philosophy and ideology is, eh?
     
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    A tough call. The western media has been discredited on numerous occasions. Especially this one.

    Spies who lie: 51 ‘intelligence’ experts refuse to apologize for discrediting true Hunter Biden story

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/intel...to-apologize-for-smearing-hunter-biden-story/


    They are the supposed nonpartisan group of top spies looking out for the best interest of the nation.

    But the 51 former “intelligence” officials who cast doubt on The Post’s Hunter Biden laptop stories in a public letter really were just desperate to get Joe Biden elected president. And more than a year later, even after their Deep State sabotage has been shown again and again to be a lie, they refuse to own up to how they undermined an election.
     
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    This is the 'truth' of Western media: You can read CNN's account of Trump's bad character, and you can
    read Fox News of Trumps reasonable policies with NATO and Middle East. These two media are at odds
    with each other politicallly - but by reading them all you have a reasonable chance of figuring out what is
    going on. And Western media don't generally lie - you can be caught out by other media, or govt officials.
    Let's suppose 80% of Russian news is actually true. But these facts are not balanced by contrary facts
    to provide a reasonable 'truth.'
    For most of Russian history there has been little 'truth.' I have friends who visited the Soviet Union and
    reported on the strange, even bizarre, way Soviets saw the world.
     
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    My suggestion (no ..... "conviction") is that you do not know what political philosophy is. Am I right?
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Neither truth, fact, nor apologising is part of their duties. It would be fair to say that lying and refusing/obscuring the facts is their job. That's what they get paid for.
     
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    Depends on what measuring stick one is using. Last President that actually gave a hoot about the nation was Carter IMO. I think folks underestimate what a massive disaster was Reagan. With the decline of Empire further on in the process .. many things appear much worse .. President getting caught in headwinds not of their own making.

    Not sure what to say about Trump - When you elect a reality TV star - one with already well established personality disorder - what did we think was going to happen - Champaigne wishes and Caviar dreams ? On the whole I look at Trump a smyptom of a much bigger problem rather than the problem itself .. the ***** cherry pimple on top of the milkshake of malady.
     
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    And the scary thing is that those people actually control the most influential media outlests not only in the USA but across the globe. They have given themselves the right to decide what is the truth. We live in Orwellian times.
     

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