Jullian Assange has been arrested following removal of asylum by the Ecuadorian Government

Heh, you've made my point!

 

And your point was...that you can't understand? (following your post #999 which was mainly an ad hominen attack to avoid discussing the issues) - which as I said, requires that you educate yourself.

Then maybe you will understand why Assange is in prison.

 

No... This was my point:

And your response...

...had nothing to do with anything I've posted. You apparently can't follow or sustain an argument, just go off course in some stream of consciousness diatribes.

 

You know as well as I do that I have already conceded your argument on BDS (conditionally: I don't know the details of the situation in the US state legislatures that you were arguing with another poster); now it's time for your to face up to understanding why Assange is in jail.

 

I do understand. He jumped bail.

 

Inadequate understanding, resulting from ideological blindness.

Cain killed his brother Abel through lack of awareness of his own nature. That's the story of humanity.

Lust for power, bolstered by individuals' instincts of predation and competition, still trump rule of law, hence the impotence of the UNSC, with its acceptance of the irrationality of ' legal' war (which in any case the current hegemon, namely the US, simply ignored in the case of the "illegal" war in Iraq).

And so we have "humanity hanging on a cross of iron" (Eisenhower) ….and Assange in jail.

 

You claimed my understanding of why Assange was in jail was due to "ideological blindness" but added no evidence or facts to contradict the actual fact that he's in jail for jumping bail. Don't bother with Bible stories, just stick to the facts.

 

No, I claimed Assange is in jail because of lack of a general understanding of the (infinite) causes of war, since the beginning of time. I have explained the role of instinct re humanity's history, in this regard. Of course the immediate (on the surface) cause of Assange's imprisonment is his jumping bail. But an examination of the underlying reasons why he is in jail...well of course you will draw the line at such an examination...because of your ideological blindness. Obviously he would not be in jail if an international rules based system existed.

The Bible, for all its faults, does contain much wisdom.

Cain killed his brother through envy - envy caused by lack of self-awareness, lack of which you continue to display, for reasons I have explained.

[Of course I know you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...nevertheless an examination of why it doesn't want to drink will likely be informative for those who are so inclined to understand the underlying reasons].

 

More on that in this thread: UK judge sentences Assange to 1 year in prison for jumping bail

The judge sentenced him to nearly 1 year, which seems disproportionate considering the circumstances.

Jumping bail is not considered a crime in the United States, although does expose the person in question to civil sanctions if there are still active charges against them (i.e. they usually stay in jail until the trial or the proceedings are resolved).

Since Assange is back in prison, and Sweden has astonishingly decided to revive back one of the charges against him, Assange is basically in the same place now he was before he stepped into that embassy.

Except now American courts will have an easy excuse to deny him bail if he is ever extradited to America.
(Not that it's not possible they might have done that anyway, but now it would not look as bad for them)

 

I'm inclined to listen to facts. Not whatever it is you are peddling. So was Assange charged with "lack of a general understanding of the (infinite) causes of war, since the beginning of time?" If you can't articulate actual laws and have to resort to Bible stories, than you don't have an argument, you simply have a feeling.

 

Facts which you are only capable of dealing with at the most superficial level, obviously

No, Assange was charged for jumping bail in Britain (not considered a crime in the US according to post #1009).

But Assange himself was terrified of facing extradition and a subsequent charge of treason in the US, with possible life imprisonment.

Now, if we had an international rules-based system, Wikileaks' 'whistle-blowing' function would be much more mundane, because the presently highly secretive military-security functionaries would be much more transparent and subject to public scrutiny.

I can see that your need to understand world affairs, at a most basic, easily comprehended level, reduces the effectiveness of metaphor, as a teaching aid.

 

This reply was not worth a week's worth of effort. Sorry you expended so much time and effort and still didn't produce a worthwhile response.

 

Actually I was away for the week, so only five minutes of effort.

Anyway, I'll make it simple for you.

Assange himself was/is terrified of facing extradition and a likely subsequent charge of treason in the US, with possible life imprisonment (given examples like Snowden and Manning)

In your opinion, why does Assange see a terrible outcome for himself, if he is extradited to the US?

 

Under what legal basis would Assange be charged with "treason?" He's not American and owes no allegiance to that country. So please tell me, why is Assange worried about a US treason charge?

 

Perhaps someone should explain to Assange that he would not be subject to capital punishment or life imprisonment if he faces US courts! However:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ileaks-have-criminal-charges-been-prepared-us

<"WikiLeaks is also under investigation by Robert Mueller, the US special counsel, for publishing a cache of hacked emails from the Democratic party during the 2016 presidential campaign.
The assumption is that any potential charges would be likely to be brought under the US Espionage Act, the same legislation used in the unsuccessful attempt to prosecute Daniel Ellsberg over the Pentagon Papers in 1971".

So Assange is merely paranoid?

Meanwhile the US spooks agency has ruined Snowden's life, who is currently living in hiding in Russia.

 

Stop stalling and answer the question. On what basis would a foreign national like Assange be charged with treason in a US court?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ileaks-have-criminal-charges-been-prepared-us

<<How do we know Julian Assange has been charged by the US?
We don’t know for sure. But a mistake in a document filed by the US authorities in an unrelated case hints that criminal charges may have been prepared in secret.
The text of the court filing, which relates to a completely separate case, includes two mentions of someone called Assange, including a suggestion that the documentation in the case “would need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested in connection with the charges”.
The filing was a motion to seal the charges, meaning they would be kept secret, because “due to the sophistication of the defendant and the publicity around the case, no other procedure is likely to keep confidential the fact that Assange has been charged”.
A justice department spokesman would say only that the court filing was “made in error” and that Assange was “not the intended name for this filing”. But legal experts suggested the mistake was made by lawyers copying and pasting text from one document to another, and forgetting to change the name and other details.
What is Assange potentially being charged with?
Again, we don’t know. The US authorities have been investigating the WikiLeaks founder since at least 2011, when a grand jury hearing was opened into the whistleblowing website’s publication the previous year of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables, in conjunction with a number of international newspapers including the Guardian.>
Haven’t they told Assange himself?
No. “The news that criminal charges have apparently been filed against Mr Assange is even more troubling than the haphazard manner in which that information has been revealed,” his US lawyer, Barry Pollack, said, adding that a government bringing criminal charges against someone for publishing truthful information was a “dangerous path for a democracy to take”.>>

Amen to that last comment.

So, considering all the secrecy shown within in the US spooks agencies surrounding this case, your question needs to be directed to those agencies themselves - good luck with that.

But you live in a "we are good, they are bad' world, so you won't be able to consider the "implications for democracy" such as 'democracy' actually is, in this world ruled by the 'security-military' complexes of powerful nations not subject to an international rules based system.

 

The latest (May 25th 2019) on US charges against Assange:

https://theconversation.com/new-ind...tion-between-the-us-and-julian-assange-117741

<<Australians woke to the news on Friday that the United States had unveiled new charges against Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange.

The indictment, issued by the US Department of Justice, includes 17 charges of espionage:

• one count of conspiracy to receive national defense information
• seven counts of obtaining national defense information
• nine counts of disclosing national defense information.

These charges are in addition to the charge of conspiracy to commit computer misuse contained in the initial US request for extradition in April>>.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/eu...assange-would-not-face-death-penalty-1.849657

<<US and Britain promised Ecuador Julian Assange would not face death penalty.>>

You gotta ask (not!), where did all this paranoia come from...…?

Perhaps we should ask Edward Snowden.

 

None of those agencies said he was being charged with treason. You did. I'm trying to find out where you got that from. So...where did you get it from?

 

just wondering but if Assange tarted himself up in a frock, knickers, bra and make-up and called himself Julia, could he invoke the Manning precedent from the president....?
Seems like being a tranny is a sure fire way of beating the rap...at least in the US anyway....maybe the yanks have a soft spot for devious trannys...

 

https://theconversation.com/new-ind...tion-between-the-us-and-julian-assange-117741

<<Australians woke to the news on Friday that the United States had unveiled new charges against Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange.

The indictment, issued by the US Department of Justice, includes 17 charges of espionage:

• one count of conspiracy to receive national defense information
• seven counts of obtaining national defense information
• nine counts of disclosing national defense information.

These charges are in addition to the charge of conspiracy to commit computer misuse contained in the initial US request for extradition in April>>.


Treason, espionage, whatever.

<<Capital punishment is a legal penalty under the United States federal government criminal justice system. It can be carried out for treason, espionage, murder, piracy, large-scale drug trafficking, or attempted murder of a witness, juror, or court officer in certain cases.>>

Trump has pulled the rug from under your case. Apparently the US 'Justice' dept. wanted Obama to bring similar charges against Assange years ago, but Obama realised any such action would not survive the first amendment. Trump's ideological blindness precludes such caution….

 

Just curious but are you a bot? At first I thought you were dodging my question but now I think you just don't understand it.

 

<<The indictment, issued by the US Department of Justice, includes 17 charges of espionage:>>

Explain why that does not answer your question.

 

Because you said he was to be charged with treason. Do you not understand what espionage is, or treason, or both?

 

OK. So I'll go with the US Dept of Justice indictment:

<The indictment, issued by the US Department of Justice, includes 17 charges of espionage:>>

<<Capital punishment is a legal penalty under the United States federal government criminal justice system. It can be carried out for treason, espionage, murder, piracy, large-scale drug trafficking, or attempted murder of a witness, juror, or court officer in certain cases.>>

Meanwhile another life (Assange's) has been ruined for exposing the criminality (and other assorted ugliness) of the military-'security' complex.