I am against abortion except in the case of rape or life of the mother. I feel the government has an obligation to protect the life of all Americans including the unborn. Science says life begins at conception. This is not to say that a single celled zygote is a human being. It is however, the point at which two reproductive cells combine to make unique human being(s). Not all fertilization will be successful. But, left alone, a zygote could become a human being. Any intentional act which interrupts or interferes with the natural process of human survival or growth in the womb then becomes a moral, a philosophical, an ethical and political issue.
Why? The procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is the SAME EXACT procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex. The ONLY diffence is the sex act....so it looks strongly like you want women punished for having consensual sex by forcing them to getstate. To the detriment of the BORN? The ones who have rights... "LIFE" should include freedom and liberty....for everyone INCLUDING pregnant women. ….and entirely the pregnant woman's decision. No one else's "morals", philosophy, or ethics should rule others....only the law counts and the law says every BORN person has rights.....and that includes pregnant women even if there are people whose "ethics' or "morals" say otherwise. BTW, the abortion debate is not "just" another anything, it is very important in defending the rights of women
Women impregnated by forceful rape didn't give their consent. That's a big difference. Women who give consent and don't take precautions to prevent pregnancy should be held responsible for their actions. How is it detrimental to the born? Why should anyone have a right to take the life from their unborn child? You are right. We seek only to take away the rights of women to murder their unborn child. The rights of women to kill their baby. I will defend the rights of men and women to be born.
As a "patriot" why aren't you protecting the woman's right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness from those wishing to force her to keep another "human" alive against her will?
I do support a woman's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Even if that woman is still in her mother's womb.
Thank you for confirming that for you it is NOT about the fetus but punishing women for having consensual sex !!!! FoxHastings said: ↑ Why? The procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is the SAME EXACT procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex. The ONLY diffence is the sex act....so it looks strongly like you want women punished for having consensual sex by forcing them to gestate."" Uh DUH, taking away rights from the BORN is detrimental....do you think having their rights taken away is a good thing??!!!!! OH! Taking away WOMEN'S RIGHTS are the GOOD THING for YOU!! How pathetic. Well, too bad but did you know women can drive cars and vote now!!?? Yup, that's right, they can own things and keep their own wages...see, it's the 21st century now and they got ALL their rights in the last century... whether YOU liked it or not . . NO on has a right to be born.
I didn't confirm that. If it were about women having consensual sex, there'd be a lot of punishment to mete out. Sad you don't see a difference between rape and consensual sex. You say I want to punish women by forcing them to gestate, I say I want women to accept responsibility for their actions. Yes, I do like taking away rights from people if it is in the defense of the defenseless. I like taking slaves away from slave owners. No one should have the right to own another human being. It's like that. I'm all for women's rights. Even their right to life & to be born. The only people who are for abortion are those that have already been born.
Honestly, I don't think any woman wants to get an abortion. I don't think any woman is happy to get an abortion.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Why? The procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is the SAME EXACT procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex. The ONLY difference is the sex act....so it looks strongly like you want women punished for having consensual sex by forcing them to gestate So AGAIN, you are NOT concerned with whether the fetus is killed or not, just that women who have consensual sex are punished by being FORCED to gestate. WHY is it OK for YOU to force women to do something against their wishes but not for a rapist to FORCE a woman to do something against her wishes
You skipped the salient point. You apparently would force a woman to support a human life against her will. You call that ethical. Of course no woman "wants" to have an abortion like you don't want an appendectomy but life sometimes has hard choices and your opinion comes from a limited knowledge of her available choices. .
YES YOU DID....you said that women who have consensual sex should not be allowed an abortion....but the rape victim should be allowed an abortion!! THAT means, since ALL ABORTIONS PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS, YOU base your feelings on IF THE WOMAN HAD CONSENSUAL SEX IOR NOT. NOT on whether it's killing a fetus.. THERE IT IS...complete and total sexism and misogyny...punish women for having sex....MY, MY , how 19th century of you! Pathetic that you claim something that isn't true! SHOW exactly where I said rape and consensual sex were the same thing....GO AHEAD, SHOW ME!! BY FORCING THEM TO GESTATE Then why do you want to own pregnant women??? Why do you want to enslave them by taking away their right to their own body, which is exactly what slavery is. SURRRRE, as long as they do as you tell them, as long as they obey you.... ... . They do not have a right to be born...no one does. OHGAWD! That senile, illogical, asinine, meaningless quote from Reagan, the senile President...
What's the difference between shooting an adult who is running away with all your money and aborting a baby that you can't afford to raise?
Uh , what?!! SO? That has nothing to do with women having the right to their own bodies….WTF are you talking about? BTW, YOU do NOT know what every woman who gets an abortion thinks...
"A right to their own body" is such a bad argument. A baby in the womb has it's own body. That's not her body.
Also, why are even having an argument about abortion? Why are so many women still "accidentally" getting pregnant? It's 2019! Aren't there more ways to prevent pregnancy than there was in 1973? Are women that irresponsible and if so, do we want them to have life and death decisions over an unborn child?
LOL! The right to one's own body is a bad argument? So you are for slavery and being forced to give your body parts to anyone who wants them? OK. Here is one of the most "Unanswered by Anti-Choicers" questions ever : If the fetus is not her body, then WHOSE IS IT? YOURS? The government's (as Anti-Choicers want it to be). IF it is the government's then they should pay for it from conception to cradle to grave. IF it belongs to itself and isn't the pregnant woman's then all the more reason she should be able to take it out
PatriotNews said: ↑ Honestly, I don't think any woman wants to get an abortion. I don't think any woman is happy to get an abortion. FoxHastings said: ↑ Uh , what?!! SO? That has nothing to do with women having the right to their own bodies….WTF are you talking about? BTW, YOU do NOT know what every woman who gets an abortion thinks... Why aren't you addressing the post of mine you keep quoting? WAIT! You KNOW it's the 21 century? And you still have 19th century attitudes toward women?!! Wow! YOU: ""If it were about women having consensual sex, there'd be a lot of punishment to mete out."""" THERE IT IS...complete and total sexism and misogyny...punish women for having sex....MY, MY , how 19th century of you! Ya, so? Women are under NO obligation to use birth control. So you think women who get pregnant are irresponsible BUT YOU want them to have kids!!! Don't you like kids? You want them to have an Evil Irresponsible person have them!!! I don't know who your "we" is but what "we" want is immaterial to others.. BTW, you "" forgot"" to address post # 10
Why is it okay to use women for sex then force them to have an abortion because the man refuses to support the woman and child? Once again, the difference is a woman taking responsibility for her actions. In the case of rape, she obviously isn't a consenting person. It all comes down to responsibility, doesn't it? It's not about punishing women for consensual sex. That's just a misdirection on your part.
Good one....you are killing an adult for money vs. you are choosing to abort a fetus. not a "baby", because of the negative impact it will have on you and your future baby and possibly your family, also you have a right to decide what happens to your body.
An imperfect analogy, but suppose a comatose patient needs a liver to survive, he may recover with a transplant and you are the only match. Your medical expenses will not be covered and you will lose your job because of time missed but you have a family to support. Should you be compelled to donate if you decline?
WHY couldn't you answer these questions? FoxHastings said: ↑ Why? The procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is the SAME EXACT procedure and outcome as an abortion due to consensual sex. BOTH kill a fetus....why do you think one fetus is expendable but not the other? WHY is it wrong to kill one fetus but not the other??? Aren't they BOTH the same thing? The ONLY difference is the sex act....so it looks strongly like you want women punished for having consensual sex by forcing them to gestate So AGAIN, you are NOT concerned with whether the fetus is killed or not, just that women who have consensual sex are punished by being FORCED to gestate. WHY is it OK for YOU to force women to do something against their wishes but not for a rapist to FORCE a woman to do something against her wishes
WHO is forcing women to abort? The fetus resulting from rape is NO different from the fetus resulting from consensual sex. An abortion due to rape KILLS a fetus just like an abortion due to consensual sex. WHY DON'T YOU FIND THEM BOTH BAD? Is a fetus due to rape a "bad " fetus? AND whether a woman consents to sex or not, consent to one act is not consent to any other act...like pregnancy. How is it "misdirection" when you state it clearly...women who get raped and pregnant you allow to have an abortion...but punish women who had consensual sex by forcing them to gestate as if THEY did something wrong.. NO, it just doesn't come down to responsibility or you would just say, " women should be responsible" ..you wouldn't want to ban abortion or claim a fetus was a person with a right to life or any other right.
fetus … baby ... not relevant. We both know we're talking about exactly the same thing, so lets stop splitting hairs. W/e you want to call the developing human embryo is fine by me. Killing an adult for money or killing a fetus for money- both have precisely the same impact on you and your future baby and possibly your family. This is not a difference. Why is it wrong to protect what happens to the fruits of the labor you use your body to produce?
