Just so I know, Election fraud claims are acceptable if they come from the left?

Equating the mobilization of MAGAites to take over state's election apparatus (among other things) in the name of Trump's delusional election grievance, with a tweet by Jean-Pierre, is just as absurd as equating protests over the murder of G. Floyd that turned violent, with an attempted coup. Theirs is an impossible position to defend, hence false equivalences are all they have.

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Why not just man up and admit illegals are registering, voting, and that you think it should be that way! I just demonstrated, conclusively, how ridonculously easy it is to do, and how infinitesimally small the chances of getting caught are, so why don't you join me in calling for all voters to be required to prove citizenship. Don't tell me it's illegal, I know damn good and well it's illegal, but so is buying booze if you haven't attained the age of 21. But, unlike registering to vote, we don't use the "honor system" when it comes to the age of would-be-drinkers. Why in the hell would we use it for voters???

 

Got it, you'll continue to equate those INSURRECTIONISTS to those that were mainly arrested for curfew and crowd control reasons

Hint Portland's been going off for decades, since the world bank meetings

July 17, 2020

Federal Agents Unleash Militarized Crackdown on Portland
Federal authorities said they would bring order to Portland, Ore., after weeks of protests there. Local leaders believe the federal presence is making things worse.

,,,Law enforcement officials say it is rare for local police departments to request help from federal authorities — or for the federal government to deploy in a city without that consent — because of the risk of escalating an already volatile environment.

Governor Brown said in an interview that she asked the acting homeland security secretary, Chad F. Wolf, to remove federal officials from the streets and that he refused. She said the Trump administration appeared to instead be using the situation for photo-ops to rally his supporters.

“They are provoking confrontation for political purposes,” Ms. Brown said.

In early June, the administration deployed an array of federal agents to cities like San Diego, Buffalo and Las Vegas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/portland-protests.html

NO PAYWALL LINK
https://archive.ph/rt4AD

 

Weird

Donald Trump's Cynical, Corrosive 'Election Integrity' Commission


Friday, after months of innuendo and exaggeration, President Trump signed an executive order to create a commission to look at "election integrity." It comes after repeated claims from Trump and his team that millions of noncitizens voted in November. They are, as he would say, "Wrong!"

That didn't happen, and the notion that it could without anyone noticing is completely absurd. But what is even more absurd is spending taxpayer dollars on a sham commission to investigate a phantom problem.

In study after study, academics and elections experts have found that noncitizen voting is exceedingly rare. And state elections officials of all political stripes charged with certifying election results, including those in border states, say that he's wrong too.
https://casetext.com/analysis/donald-trumps-cynical-corrosive-election-integrity-commission



Former Missouri secretary of state calls presidential election commission sham
Jason Kander says commission created to shore up lies about illegal voting

https://www.wmur.com/article/former...residential-election-commission-sham/9969482#



State officials refuse to turn over voters' sensitive data to Donald Trump's election panel
The information includes partial Social Security numbers, and voter histories going back to 2006

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-states-refuse-data-commission-a7817756.html


A retired veteran found himself on the wrong side of the law after an attempt at what he called whistleblowing blew up in his face.

Pacific Grove resident Richard Davis, 68, was so perturbed by national reports of voter fraud that he now stands accused of committing voter fraud himself after registering his underage golden retrievers and his deceased father to vote.

"I was trying to do my patriotic duty and just bring awareness," said Davis.


Although registering the dogs didn't bring the authorities down on him -- though he called and told them exactly what he was doing -- registering his father did. He was slapped with a felony by the Monterey County District Attorney's Office for filing a fictitious voter card.


Davis freely admits he committed the felony, but disagrees with the notion that he committed a crime.

RIGHT WINGERS *SHAKING HEAD*

...Monterey County Assistant District Attorney Berkley Brannon said the DA's office warned Davis to stop filing fictitious voter registrations after registering Pfeiffer to vote.

"We appreciate his political activism on this and told him not to do it again," said Brannon. "He went ahead and did it again."
https://www.thecalifornian.com/stor...ter-fraud-elections-pacific-grove/3672406002/

 

Ignore the results, most cases were dropped as "crowd control and curfew violations" and go after them being "libral" Typical BS n

 

This is an email conspiracy theory that sent the alleged information. Nothing has been proven and not even the candidates filed any complaint regarding this, that I know of.

https://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

First rule of thumb, if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't.

 

In the case of Russian elections such anomalies were considered a sure sign of electoral fraud by Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...tion-inquiry/2011/12/11/gIQAmBR8nO_story.html

 

Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well.

"If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."


Stanford's Rodden found in 2008 what I found in the data from 2012 - Mitt Romney shutout Barack Obama in a number of rural, mainly white areas in the South and Plains, while President Obama rolled up huge margins in big city precincts that were overwhelmingly African American.

And on Tuesday, we could well see a repeat - and it won't be voter fraud, experts say.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupr...s-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Precinct-Level Election Data
https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=hdl:1902.1/21919#

 

WOW A COMMENTER DISAGREED THEREFORE IT WAS WAPO? Seriously? lol
“

Obviously, he doesn’t agree with Gauss,” one commenter wrote, referring to pioneering mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss, who lived 200 years ago. Disenchanted Russians argue that United Russia’s reported election results are so improbable as to violate Gauss’s groundbreaking work on statistics."

Nah but Russia is known for election integrity right? As well as freedom of press and political parties *shaking head*


Russia’s rigged elections look nothing like the US election – they have immediate, unquestioned results there

If you want to know what stolen elections look like, look at Russia, where we have studied elections and the media for decades.

The early heyday of Russian democracy was very messy. Just after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Kremlin poured money and resources into a Western-looking pro-market party called Russia’s Choice. Despite the money and help it got, the party failed spectacularly in the 1993 election. Meanwhile, nationalists and Communists, parties with strong connections to voters and their beliefs, won their way into power through the elections. But outcomes were unpredictable and the campaigns were chaotic.


How to steal an election, Russian-style

Over time, the Putin regime systematically consolidated its domination over politics, turning elections from a democratic contest into a controlled system that delivered regime victories.

Russian elections are now state-directed performances that eliminate opposition. Random targeted arrests and violence – especially against those who try to lead alternative political movements – are common. Alexei Navalny, leader of a reform movement and now recovering from a poisoning, could tell us a lot about that. So could Yegor Zhukov, a student blogger who was arrested and convicted of extremism and then beaten outside of his home for his political actions.
https://theconversation.com/russias...e-immediate-unquestioned-results-there-149710

 

If these anomalies do not signal fraud then Washington Post claim of fraud in Russian elections was fraudulent itself, right?

Also what was the biggest precinct that went 100% for McCain? From your post we only know that it had at leas 10 votes. I remind that in Michigan the largest 100% Obama precinct had 580 voters.

 

ONCE MORE, that wasn't WaPo but simply a COMMENTER

Way to refute that getting 100% in precincts make it fraud though

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

"We see that nearly every election cycle," said Brian Kemp, the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia, who told me he wasn't worried by a precinct that gives zero votes to one of the major candidates for President.
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupr...s-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/




....But black Democrats do, sometimes, get 99 percent or more of the vote in black precincts. In 2008, Obama actually pitched a shutout in 18 Cuyahoga County precincts. And you would expect him to. In 2008, Obama won 97 percent of the black vote in Ohio. In 2012, it was 96 percent. In Pennsylvania this year, he won 93 percent of the black vote and 80 percent of the Hispanic vote. This was why Obama could clean up in precincts that are almost entirely black or Hispanic.


There are places where Obama won less than 10 percent of the vote. In King County, Texas, he won exactly five votes to Romney’s 135. But nowhere was Obama’s loss among white voters as stark as Romney’s loss among urban blacks.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ama-won-100-percent-of-so-many-precincts.html

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites.../Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

 

The Harvard Election Data Archive includes voting results from three dozen states in the 2012 election, including Pennsylvania. Out of about 90,000 precincts in the data set, roughly 3,000 gave nearly all of their vote — 98 percent or more — to one candidate. And Obama was the beneficiary nearly nine times out of 10.

About 500 of these lopsided precincts were in Philadelphia (a city with 1,686 precincts). Others were in Chicago, Pittsburgh, St. Louis and Atlanta, all heavily segregated cities with sizable black populations.


...White men, for instance, are disproportionately likely to support Republicans. But they don’t vote Republican at the high rates that African-Americans vote Democratic. Nor are white men segregated geographically
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/...adelphia-zero-votes-does-not-equal-fraud.html

no paywall link
https://archive.ph/fNwHr

 

For starters, Russia is Russia, not here. Second, whatever happens in Russia does not affect us, generally. Third, statistics do not prove or disprove election fraud.

 

So Russia-gate was a hoax?

So the statistical proofs of fraud in Russian elections published by Washington Post, Market Financial, and PNAS were fraudulent themselves?

 

Error

 

Did they use a commenter like you point to WaPo for fraud?

Russian elections once again had a suspiciously neat result
Opponents were jailed and barred. For good measure, the authorities cheated at the polls too
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ons-once-again-had-a-suspiciously-neat-result


MOSCOW — European election observers issued a harsh critique of the Russian presidential election on Monday, saying that Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin's victory was preordained and unfair, because of overwhelming bias in the television media and the use of government money and resources in support of his campaign.
https://www.oscepa.org/en/news-a-me...12/observers-detail-flaws-in-russian-election

Russia election: Putin's party wins election marred by fraud claims
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58614227

 

Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489

 

I don't understand what you mean. I think that you to.

Just as neat as in the US: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...otes-for-obama-in-a-hundred-precincts.602694/

Just like the January 6 protesters?

 

You linked to WaPo but the article simply quoted a COMMENTER, The article made no such suggestion

Jan 6 insurrectionists who were arrested and injured over 400 police? Yep

ONCE MORE

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupr...s-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/


Fraud Claims in Philadelphia? They Add Up to Zero
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/...adelphia-zero-votes-does-not-equal-fraud.html

NO PAYWALL LINK
https://archive.ph/fNwHr

Some Philadelphia Districts Don’t Like Romney
https://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/


That 59 divisions in Philly had no votes for Romney in 2012 is "(a) mathematical and statistical impossibility."



https://www.politifact.com/factchec...et-philly-rigged-2012-presidential-election-/

Obama Got Zero Votes in At Least 38 Precincts in 2012

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=88288

 

The article made a suggestion by quoting someone. They did not debunk his remark, right? Like they always do when they quote people doubting the US elections.

They protested election fraud, just like the Russians.

Those objections are quite old and appeared ten years ago in the context of Russian elections in Significance (a magazine of Royal Statistical Society). However a well known statistician Andrew Gelman criticized those articles in his blog. Afterward the articles, linked in that blog, went down the memory hole. And the editor of Significance lost his job.

Actually the unsound PolitiFact article was discussed in another thread:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-for-romney-a-statistical-possibility.603127/

Any objections to that criticism?

 

AS A POSTER SAID TO YOU


''That's right, everyone _must_ cater to your conspiracy theories''


After the 2012 election results were final, some claimed that fraud was the only way to explain voting numbers in Philadelphia which showed Mitt Romney getting no votes at all in dozens of precincts in that city. But a review of election returns from all over the country shows that while such a result is rare, it happens more than you might think, and will probably happen again on November 8.

"We see that nearly every election cycle," said Brian Kemp, the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia, who told me he wasn't worried by a precinct that gives zero votes to one of the major candidates for President.


The data for this story was obtained several ways - by digging through hundreds of precinct canvass reports on websites run by state and county elections officials (not all states post that type of information), by looking through a database of election results run by Harvard University , as well as information from a 2008 study done by researchers at Stanford University.

What I found were hundreds of precincts around the nation where Romney didn't get a single vote, and many precincts where President Obama was shutout as well.

And these kind of results did not happen only in 2012.


Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well.

"If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."
https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupr...s-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

 

PROTESTERS

 

If those are conspiracy theories then similar questioning of election results in Russia are conspiracy theories as well. Why did Washington Post, PNAS, and Market Financial cater to those?

If this anomaly signals fraud then there was 10 times less fraud for McCain. Just from the number of the precincts. Given that precincts that went 100% for McCain are much smaller - then the ratio of McCain fraud to Obama fraud is even less.

The article is titled: "Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud." If the experts think so and they are honest they must also say that there was no voter fraud in Russia.

 

LMAOROG, Oh Comrade you and your false equivalency


Election fraud allegations will erode Putin’s legitimacy
United Russia has retained supermajority in the State Duma at the price of growing public discontent with the Kremlin.

Russia held its legislative elections over three days between September 17 and 19, with the ruling United Russia party winning 324 seats in the 450-seat State Duma. Many observers have found the outcome of the vote messy and confusing and this is because it was messy and confusing by design.


The elections were marred by accusations of deception, manipulation and outright fraud, which the opposition claims allowed the Kremlin to declare victory, despite declining public support for United Russia. Indeed, this victory comes at the cost of legitimacy.


Of course, this election was in no way similar to what people call “elections” in democratic countries. Polls in Russia are hardly “free” as true opposition forces are not allowed to register parties; the ones that are permitted to do so are controlled to a varying extent by the presidential administration.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/9/22/election-fraud-allegations-will-erode-putins-legitimacy

 

You need to read this and try to follow the sound advice:
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-lies

Just like the US elections. See: https://gab.com/groups/5364

But can you actually tell the anomalies in Russian elections from those in democratic countries? Try this quiz to find out: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/quiz-russia-or-democratic-country/

This is a bit out of context since this is not exactly voter fraud. Also note that in US there only two parties.