A personal note first. I've posted on several occasions that I'm not here to try to convince anyone of anything about 9/11 and unfortunately, I found that despite my intent, I've been doing just that. So I stepped away from this forum for a bit to regroup. What I do want to do is inform, learn and discuss 9/11 with those who really care about it. That, for the most part, leaves out all those who are convinced the OCT is correct and/or those who spend most of their posts defending it. There is no discussion to be had with such mentality (or agenda), it's an exercise in futility. If you are such a poster, please do not expect a response from me (depending on the post of course). On that note, back to the topic I want to inform/discuss. The following are excerpts from the article: EXPERT WITNESSES PRESENT EVIDENCE; LAWYERS LISTEN AND STRATEGIZE By James McDowell It's been 15 years since the tragic events of September 11, 2001. As if the act of studying history were no longer something that people do, we often hear the refrain, Its time to move on. And yet every year in the month of September, bought-and-paid-for politicians and a subservient media join to reinforce the time-honored fairytale that is the official story of 9/11. This epic work of fiction a strategic script of omissions, unconnected dots, and impossible physics continues, each and every day of our lives, to be used as justification for endless war, the erosion of civil liberties, and an ever-expanding surveillance state. To renounce the official fairytale and chart a path toward its permanent dismantling, a two-day symposium was held on September 10th and 11th in the Great Hall of the Cooper Union. Chosen for its historical significance the site of Abraham Lincoln's famous 1860 address and less than two miles from the World Trade Center the Great Hall was an ideal location to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11, to honor the thousands of civilians and first responders who lost their lives that day, and to tell the truth. The hall was, in short, the perfect place to put JUSTICE IN FOCUS. ---- We are not remembering victims in an authoritarian and war-like spirit, where we try our best to revive the horror and pathos of that original moment in order to justify a prolonged military response all around the world. - Mark Crispin Miller, professor of Media and Culture at New York University --- If Pete Carroll, the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, is now a 9/11 Truther, we're obviously doing something right. And for another: I can tell you, as a professor, my own students are no longer intimidated by the 'conspiracy theory' meme. It isn't working anymore. - Mark Crispin Miller --- [Dr. J. Leroy] Hulsey (Chairman of UAF's Civil and Environmental Engineering Department and a structural engineer who specializes in forensic analysis of building failures) summarized the work that he and his two-man team of students one a recent Ph.D. graduate and the other a Ph.D. candidate have undertaken. He listed the software tools they're using, described their methodology, and cited the factors they are taking into consideration in their finite element modeling. Hulsey then announced that the team's analysis over the past year has led them to a conclusion completely contrary to NIST's namely, that fire categorically did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 (contrary to NIST's published theoretical conclusion peddled as fact). --- Our history, as we know it, is polluted with fabrication, silence, and misinformation, starting from the true masters of the massacre and political crimes. This is because modern democracies, often masking tyrannical regimes, use the media as instruments of disinformation and distortion of people's consciences to wage mass fear for preemptive wars. There is no future without truth and justice. - Judge Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary President Supreme Court of Italy --- After his keynote speech, [Daniel P.] Sheehan (Harvard College, Harvard Law School and Harvard Divinity School--trained Constitutional Litigation and Appellate Attorney for over 50 years) took part in a Q&A with a roundtable of attorneys, during which he answered an attendee's question, Why doesn't basic criminal procedure apply to the government? with this reply: The basic criminal procedures have to be undertaken by the government themselves. They have been vested with the sole authority to use violence on behalf of their position they're armed and dangerous. --- Sheehan then asked Hulsey, On a scale of 1 to 100, how probable do you think it is that this building could have collapsed simply because of the fire? Hulsey replied unequivocally: Zero. --- [Erik] Lawyer (25-year firefighter and emergency services veteran from Seattle) then pointed to a great irony. NIST is the National Institute of Standards and Technology. So they're the national institute on standards. Yet they did not follow the standards for fire and explosion investigation. There is of course, much, much more, please read the entire article. http://www.ae911truth.org/news/322-...ocus-symposium-9-11-and-the-path-forward.html Also of note is a new website called Truth Action Project 9/11: https://www.911tap.org/
What makes you jump to the conclusion those of us who do not believe in an "Inside Job" conspiracy behind the 9/11 attacks don't care about the events surrounding 9/11? Unfortunately for you, you have agreed to post your 'ideas' on a public forum, whose whole purpose is to discuss political issues, whether you agree with "agendas" or now, with rules specifically addressing issues like engaging the forum in bad faith. If you only want to discuss 9/11 issues with other truthers or people open to your ideas, I suggest you start a private, invite only forum, group or website to do so. The fact that you, and others like you, do not, strongly argues your "agenda" is in fact spreading these conspiracy theories to the public, contrary to your claim you don't want to convince anyone. While you others continue to do that, your flawed theories and fraudulent sources will challenged by the rest of us. A link to Richard Gage's website. Were you aware, thanks to a link Scott keeps posting, that Gage/AE911Truth support the idea there were NO hijackers? It was a surprise I can tell you.
Other notable quotes from the Justice in Focus Symposium article: Now, it's important to put that in the context of 9/11, because whatever you do here, and all of the excellent work that has been done here, will be coined that way. And it has to be overcome. It has to be understood that that program is still in effect, and they will have applied it to all of the work the architects and engineers have done, the lawyers and lawyer panels have done because 9/11 not only changed what happens in this country, but it changed the world. And it gave us a paradigm for endless war, and we live with that today. (Dr. William F. Pepper - Barrister, U.K. Human Rights Law) Pepper told how, prior to the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City in 1995, when he was at Oxford University, he received in the mail an unsigned schematic, that was supposedly drafted by a member of the [Army] Corp of Engineers, who said his conscience would not allow him to rest that he wanted it to be known that they wired the Murrah Building. Referencing a chapter from his latest book, The Plot to Kill King, that deals with media disinformation, Pepper said, They started media disinformation in 1968 and they carried it forward to the present time. He reminded everyone of what journalist Carl Bernstein brought to light back in 1978 that the CIA had 400 agents attached to American media, including The New York Times. According to Bernstein, From 1950 to 1966, about ten CIA employees were provided Times cover under arrangements approved by the newspapers late publisher, Arthur Hays Sulzberger. The cover arrangements were part of a general Times policyset by Sulzbergerto provide assistance to the CIA whenever possible. Pepper closed with this note of caution: So have no illusions about penetrating mainstream media. Do everything you can, obviously, to get this story out, but please have no illusions. --- Another anomaly of the building's collapse was presented by David Chandler (physical chemist who is a professor at the University of California, Berkeley. He is a member of the United States National Academy of Sciences and a winner of the Irving Langmuir Award. He has published two books and over 200 scientific articles). He explained, via Skype, that the structure was, for the first 2.5 seconds, in virtual free fall that is, falling at the speed of gravity. In Chandler's words, If something is dropping at free fall, it is converting all of its potential energy into kinetic energy. There is no extra energy available to do anything else. All of the breaking, bending, crushing, and throwing things around had to be done using some other energy source. The energy for that activity could not have come from the free-falling building. During that 2.5 seconds of absolute free fall, the building fell through eight floors, or over 100 feet. I made my measurements public on YouTube, and a number of us made official requests for NIST to correct their analysis. In the end, NIST changed the analysis in their final report to acknowledge free fall. That is tantamount to an admission that explosives were used. Supporting Chandler's calculations was the evidence offered by Steven Dusterwald, whose focus as a structural engineer is on the ductility of steel the ability of the beams and girders to absorb energy when they deform. Dusterwald, who attended the symposium via Skype, made the point that Building 7's free fall could not happen when ductility is factored in. --- Erik Lawyer, a 25-year firefighter and emergency services veteran from Seattle, closed out the presentation of physical evidence by raising the question, via Skype, of whether or not 9/11 still matters. Lawyer's conclusion: It does matter. And the reason it does matter is because 343 of my brothers were lost that day. Almost 3,000 people were killed that day. We're still at war. Our wars are escalating. We have ongoing deaths from the cancers and illnesses. We have millions of casualties from people who weren't involved in 9/11 in any way, and they're dying all over the world every day. We have 22 soldiers dying every day from suicide. That's from the military's own statistics. This is out of control.
It's quite a line up, huh? Course you gotta go outside of conspiracy sources to know where these come from: Mark Crispin Miller: Appears to be normal, but wiki talk page alludes to vote fraud woo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mark_Crispin_Miller Daniel Sheehan: Possibly a true victim of this scam. No indication of any woo tendencies before. Richard Gage: the conman running ae911truth. Also known as the $300,000 Man on Indymedia: http://la.indymedia.org/news/2012/05/253409.php I think it's up to $500,000 now? Judge Ferdinando Imposimato: Another possible scam victim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinando_Imposimato Lionel Nation: Libertarian talk show personality. Best someone can say is he's very naive not to check this confrence out before going. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_(radio_personality) Dylan Avery: kinda nice if he could explain exactly how he was convinced not only to make Loose Change a "documentary", but that is was a good idea to list Chris Bollyn, Phil Jayhan and other anti-Semites in the credits. I'm a little surprised he's letting himself get sucked in again. Is Twooferism like the mob or something? J. Michael Springmann: Claims of being "fired" by state department somewhat overblown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michael_Springmann Wayne Madsen: Conspiracy loon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen#September_11_attacks Les Jamieson: This is a hardcore loon. Used to work with Janice Matthews of 911truth.org, then ran the NYC truther group out of some lame anarchists meeting space actively attracting loonies. Documented on a blog with Richard Gage taking a photo op with fake marine and sex offender John Dinatale. Unbelievable. Jeffrey Steinberg: Director/editor of Larouche Cult publication Executive Intelligence Review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Intelligence_Review Nuff said. Dr. William Pepper: another conspiracy loon who made it a career to exploit survivors of Martin Luther King: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Pepper And sadly, Bob McIlvaine: the 9/11 survivor truthers have been scamming for almost 15 years. Pretty disgusting. And that was just day one! Gotta jet. Be back to look at day two.
Moving on, experts continue to explain the scientific impossibility of the OCT: Meiswinkle asked each member of the scientific panel if, in their opinion, any of the three buildings could have collapsed due to office fires. Each responded with a definitive No. In a follow-up, Meiswinkle asked if the official story breaks the laws of physics. David Chandler ticked off a number of physics-defying government claims about the destruction of the World Trade Center. It violates conservation of energy, it violates conservation of momentum, it discounts Newton's laws of motion. I mean, it is a wildly fictitious report as far as trying to actually align with the laws of physics. To which Jon Cole added, You cannot get molten steel from those fires. It violated the second law of thermodynamics entropy laws. You cannot get thermite to be made naturally from what happened that day. --- The prevailing theory among some researchers is that the abundance of molten steel was the result of a nano-/thermite/ate reaction. No other theory I'm aware of makes any sense.
Also in the article: When Pepper read the question, How come Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld have not been mentioned at all? (note these are the 3 I named as the minimum number of people it would take to commit the 9/11 inside job). Veale chimed in, Stay tuned! Harrison, in a serious tone, clarified a key strategy of the attorneys: It's been an intentional decision on our part not to talk about suspects in this proceeding. To the question, Was NIST negligent, and if so, what are the legal consequences of their negligence? Veale responded: NIST was way more than negligent. NIST was involved in scientific fraud. They'd be way down the list of suspects in my mind in terms of the time, energy, and resources you would put into getting them, but they were essential to the cover-up. I gave up using the word negligence in regard to this case years ago. Harrison added his thoughts: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This does not walk and quack like negligence. It walks and quacks like intentional [mis]conduct. All the above is made abundantly evident in thorough detail in this thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html IMO, NIST (or at least those at NIST in positions of responsibility) are complicit in the 9/11 massacre by way of a DELIBERATE massive deception/cover-up.
Another very interesting piece of information from the article for those who believe (and those who don't) in the OCT's hijacker claim: Following up, Harrison embraced the efficacy of FOIAs by sharing an amusing anecdote. He told about he was asked by an organization he was working with in Bloomington, Indiana, called the 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, to make a FOIA request. The document they received back, said Harrison, showed that one of the hijackers or at least one of the supposed hijackers had applied to renew his pilot's license and had been subjected to a medical exam, after 9/11. The "hijacker" wasn't named, perhaps it was the magical "pilot" Hani Hanjour? Someone should research if his pilot's license was up for renewal after 9/11. Further: Veale recalled a lawsuit he brought on behalf of Pentagon employee April Gallop who survived 9/11. I represented April Gallop against Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and General Richard Myers. I was called delusional by [Judge] Denny Chin in the district court in New York. I was sanctioned twice by the Second Circuit, once for suggesting that the existence of John Walker on that panel was improper. Who was John Walker? He was President George Bush's first cousin, once removed. And he was there along with Judge Winters and Judge Cabranes to decide whether or not President Bush's appointees had committed mass murder and treason. I was sanctioned twice, and I made a very understandable and egregious mistake that still stands in the shadows today, and yet I've never been more proud of what I did. April Gallop was a soldier at the Pentagon and she was there with her tiny child . . . went to do some last minute record checking before she delivered her child to day care her first day back after maternity leave and she turned on her computer and the place exploded. She managed somehow to save herself, and her child, and help, apparently other people to get out onto the lawn, and she survived. She went to the hospital and she was treated horribly by operatives from the Pentagon, who tried to recruit her to a story which she could not believe. And in the weeks and months and years from that time, she could not conform her memory to the story that was being told in the newspapers and on television. So we filed a lawsuit on the 15th of December, 2008, and we accused Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and General Richard Meyers of mass murder and treason for their complicity in these attacks. That lawsuit was dismissed by Denny Chin with more or less the following words: 'It is simply not plausible that the Vice President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, and other high governmental officials would conspire to enable attacks which led to the death of 3,000 Americans.' Yet that's exactly what happened, all 3 (and Bush) stood down on 9/11 despite knowing the exact date and targets: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-family-member-patty-casazza.html
Hopefully, when Trump takes the White House he will put together a team of experts to find out what really happened. 911 has Israeli Massod/CIA/Saudi Intelligence written all over it. The US government wreaks of complicity.
Unfortunately, the US government will never investigate 9/11 no matter who is President. The US government agenda relies heavily on keeping the myth alive. In any case it's obvious the election was rigged long ago for Hillary, the MIC/Wall Street puppet. Trump is a hopeless clown who the puppet masters knew would be exposed as a clown and would never have a chance vs Hillary.
If they said that, they were right. There were no hyjackers. The evidence shows that the US government planned and carried out the whole thing. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060
