Justifiable Homicide and defensive use of guns.

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    In many cases the State has to play the role of parents.
     
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    Given that this is an annual figure, the total percentage of all deaths caused by firearm suicide and homicide is over 1% -- about 35,000 out of 2.8 million deaths from all causes.
     
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    Most suicide and murder attempts without firearm do fail. Most of those who try to kill themselves in other ways survive.
     
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    Unfortunately availability of firearms enables people with severe mental conditions to obtain them.
     
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    I had a great aunt that tried to kill herself by drinking Drano. She was unsuccessful the first attempt but succeeded 10 years later.
     
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    Very sad. Thank you for sharing.

    Most people who try to commit suicide without firearms do survive.
     
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    Self harm is a mental illness just as depression is. Quality of life is subjective. Suicides do not decrease when guns are not available.
     
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    Nope, they have no authority to play that role.
     
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    The nation of Japan demonstrates the above claim to be factually incorrect. For all intents and purposes there are no legal firearms to be found within the country. Yet despite this lack of legal firearms, their annual rate of successful suicides exceed that of the united states and numerous other nations that are held up for comparison.

    Do not bother to claim the act of suicide is not considered to be a sin in the nation of Japan, it is entirely irrelevant to the fact and makes no difference.
     
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    Such is simply too bad. If an individual cannot be trusted to not harm themselves when they are not subjected to constant monitoring, perhaps they should not belong in society to begin with. The real world is an unkind, uncaring place.
     
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    There are only two circumstances under which such is truly the case. Either the suicidal individual was not truly suicidal to begin with and only sought attention for themselves, or the attempt failed and the individual has been put into a persistent vegetative state and is physically incapable of making any future attempts.

    What is not understood on the part of yourself or others is that suicide attempts are not a once in a lifetime event. One who fails at ending their own existence does not give up, they merely try again, and continue trying for as long as they are physically able. There are no exceptions to such unless they pertain to the above.
     
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    please explain, in specific detail, how any life would be saved? there are over 500 million firearms currently in circulation. If you banned guns tomorrow, how would this prevent a single death?
     
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    I am not a politician. It took thousands of expert-years to design the systems of Scandinavia.
     
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    Perhaps USA should indeed provide medical, psychological, and psychiatric care to people who can not afford it. That would also reduce all causes of death including suicide.
     
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    Very often these people are very ambivalent about suicide. Most of those who survive suicide attempts rebuild their lives.
     
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    Then perhaps it would be best to refrain from claiming the united states could be made like the nation of Scandinavia, when the process that went into making the nation of Scandinavia is admittedly not understood on the part of yourself.

    A layman knowing that heart surgery works does not qualify said layman for performing heart surgery themselves.
     
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    That's a drop in the ocean and society is better off without them.
     
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    Which is very important when it comes to preventing harm to innocents by criminals.

    Totally false, firearms are quite safe if handled responsibly.
     
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    Firearm restrictions will cause great harm to the law abiding and the poor.

    You must really hate the law abiding and poor people.
     
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    As has been stated on the part of yourself, numerous times throughout numerous discussions, the notion of committing self-harm or otherwise ending your own existence has never been contemplate as viable options. Therefore it is not possible for yourself to truly comprehend the inner workings of the mind of an individual who is truly suicidal. They do not rebuild their lives, they do not gain a new understanding that allows them to make peace with the turmoil they are experiencing. They merely try again at the next opportune moment, and simply do not stop until they have succeed, and put themselves into a physically impeded state where it is impossible for them to make another attempt at ending their own existence.
     
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    So your calls for bans are unfounded, and you can't even form a basic argument in support of them. Thank you.
     
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    The fact that these people experience suffering beyond my worst nightmare means that they must be helped. Sadly American taxpayers are not eager to help others.
     
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    Self defensive use of firearms is rare. For each justifiable homicide, there are 35 murders and 50 suicides.
     
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    In my opinion, all Humans have paramount innate value.
     
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    If it is being acknowledged that the degree of suffering on the part of individuals who wish to end their own existence, is truly beyond comprehension on the part of yourself, how exactly are they helped by others forcing them to continue existing and experiencing even more suffering? How does such amount to anything other than outright cruelty and sadism?
     

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