Kamala Harris Doubles Down On Calls To Desegregate Schools

Because they were. The whites who went to the 9th grade in the black neighborhoods complained that the classes were not as challenging and the class offerings were limited. And it was not a waste for the black families whose children went to better schools.

 

Post evidence the riots in Boston, LA, Chicago and yes even Oakland were caused by busing, or I'll consider it evidence you made that up.

 

The south was forced busing. Berkeley only bused black kids that wanted to go to the white schools. They then used those open seats in grades 5,6 and 9 in the black schools to bring whites in for those years of schooling.

And yes people have a tendency to stay with thier like all things being equal. It is when things are not equal they want to integrate with favored section rather than stay behind in thier previous strata.

 

Source ??

 

Didn't say they were all caused by busing but that busing tore the country apart and we had riots in those cities and many others. I grew up in the South and sent through busing, although I was already 16 and drove my own car to school I was assigned a new high school, after attending my then current one for my freshman, sophomore and junior years, for my senior year because of the federal judges redistricting lines, and yes that heighten racial tensions. The school I was moved from had three days of riots on the opening weeks and it was because the blacks were protesting having to go the my school which was not in THEIR city, their community. Of the major riots and protest it was Boston that was primarily about busing but the it went further than that busing was the catalyst and last I looked Boston wasn't in Alabama.

The federal government forced issue instead allowing it to evolve as a matter of social and economic integration. Starting the 7th grade my schools were integrated. All that happened was that instead of black kids being bused out of the local school district that just ended. We all went to the same school for our neighborhood we all hung out together. This was a middle class area and we all got along in school and out of school. But then a federal judge said well there just aren't enough blacks. So he redrew the districts and if you think politically gerrymander districts look wild this beyond the pale. Into my middle class predominate white but integrated within our neighborhoods he since the boys and girls from the hood, the predominantly black city, with it's predominantly black schools, and it was a disaster. It was such a culture shock. The black kids didn't want to be there and they turned that on the white students and much of that white student body had to leave school it got so bad.

It the judge had stayed out and just let it evolve and blacks became more successful and moved out of that poor city into the safer and more middle class and everyone would have gotten along.

So yes forced busing across the country was an ignitor issue with regards to race relations across the country, for a candidate to now get up and pledge to reinstate it, well I am floored.

 

Including it in the same sentence implies a connection and you know it does. That's why you did it, in one compound sentence. If you think such nonsense is clever, you are wrong. It's just a way to lie about things.

You said: "Busing tore the country and our schools apart, let's not forget the riots in Boston, LA, Chicago and yes even Oakland."

Now you claim you didn't make that connection?

 

Oh go play grammar police with someone else, if you want to discuss the actual issue and respond to what I posted let me know.

 

I believe no race should self segregate - diversity doesn't work well when people self-segregate

 

I believe people should live with and associate with the people they want to and the government has no business telling everyone how they will do so and FORCE people into associations they do not want. And that is what happened in busing, the riots and the school I had attend for 3 years and a judge told me I could not go there for my senior year had riots by the black students who were bused there and wanted to go back to not only their neighborhood school but their OWN CITY school. That's where they had pride in their school, it was part of THEIR community, THEIR neighborhoods it was the school they played football and other sports against us. The government should never have forced it as they did.

 

never said the government should force anyone to live anywhere, i agree with you... thus why I said self-segregation, that means one did it on their own

self segregating, then wanting to bus to a unsegregated school seems backwards, moving to the unsegregated community is the way to go

 

Grammar police, my ass, you intentionally mislead and you know you did.

You said: "Busing tore the country and our schools apart, let's not forget the riots in Boston, LA, Chicago and yes even Oakland."

and now you want to claim only someone being a grammar police doesn't believe your excuse that you didn't make those connections. You wrote that sentence, not me. It obviously was made to mislead.

 

What year(s) were the riots and where did you experience them?

 

I have no time for semantical disputes, I cleared up any confusion you can continue there.

 

And that is what government tries to do and tried to do with busing. People tend to prefer to live amongst people of their own culture and society their own economic level and condition and families and history. As I said had the government just stayed out of it and let the people themselves integrate naturally. Yes enforce equal under the law and anti-discrimination law.

But that Harris wants to run on busing again, she's gonna have to back herself out of that of she is going to get pummeled with it.

 

Riots have a cause and the cause can be as simple as two groups not liking each other.

The history of those times prove there was once a time when Whites had their schools and Blacks had their schools and the law required them to desegregate the schools. Some school districts did so voluntarily and avoided court ordered desegregation and some didn't. Unless you live way out in the country and are attending the nearest school, the odds are any student making a long bus trip to school is doing so because of court ordered desegregation. Exchanging students based on race to remove Black only and White only schools isn't a one size fits all solution.

I can give you a perfect example of why. I grew up until fifth grade going to a White school with 6 White students in the first grade and only 1 White student when I left there in the fifth grade. The school district intentionally put all the White students in the same class, so it was segregated without notice. I imagine class size was around 30, but it's a guess based on not seeing a difference later. The school was also large enough to have several other classes in the same grade. They just put all the Whites together. A good bit of the Whites were Ukrainian. The area also had a large Italian community that sent their kids to parochial schools. By the time I left, White flight was well underway. The area where I once lived is industrial and I remember the farms across the street, some within the city limits. It wasn't typical of those times, compared to the whole city.

Things like that happen in cities and other places. Consider immigrants, for example. It's common in the past to find communities dominated by a particular type of immigrant. Those Ukrainian people I grew up with had their day in that area, left, but their churches are still there. Irish, Polish, Jews, Italians, Czechs, you name it, didn't just happen to buy a house in locations dominated by their own ethnicities, it was intentional. The same has happened in the past on state levels, people decided where they wanted to live and being around someone who could speak your language and was like them was a benefit.

The sensible way to live is when you are instructed to desegregate your schools, you do it voluntarily. Notice schools aren't required to desegregate now, there are no Black and White only schools.

 

You keep forgetting the schools were White only and Black only in those days, just like water fountains and places in restaurants were White only and Black only.

You didn't have to live that way, telling minorities where they were allowed to sit on a bus. Has it ever occurred to you that someone like my White mother might find herself in your Jim Crow South and be hassled by your bullshit laws? Geez, drinking from the wrong water fountain was a bad thing to do. Sitting at the bar in a restaurant and not noticing a sign, that was never around as you grew up, was a bad thing to do. After about a half hour, the question about lack of service was asked and they (my mom was with another woman) were told they were sitting in the Black section.

If drinking out of water fountains and eating around Black people caused any good reason not to do so, I'd be dead a long time ago. We didn't have those stupid laws in my state.

 

It would seem that busing students to a distant school would use more fossil fuel, and thus leave a larger carbon footprint, than assigning students to the nearest school, which they might reach by walking or a much shorter bus ride. I guess the progressives aren't really serious about saving the planet.

 

No, my school was desegregated when I was in the 7th grade which would have been 1966, the busing didn't come until 1970. Once we defeated the Democrats over civil rights those laws were wiped out everywhere, this was long after that.

 

And busing was one of the issues which inflamed and ignited protest and riots and tore the country apart, I don't know what point you are trying to make or trying to deny.

Do you really think Harris is going to win on a pro-busing and we need more of it platform?

 

You may want to re-think that if you’re able to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bus

 

There was no climate crisis when schools were desegregated.

 

Where does the electricity come from to charge the batteries? What about bus drivers that drive their buses home at night?

"There is a 40-foot (12.2 m) pure electric bus being developed, using a pre-commercial battery technology. Electric Fuel Corporation is developing and demonstrating a 40-foot (12.2 m) electric bus powered by a zinc air cell,[14]along with an ultracapacitor. The zinc-air energy device, often described as a battery, converts zinc to zinc oxide in a process that provides energy to the bus. The bus is not recharged; instead, the zinc oxide cartridges are swapped out for new zinc ones. This bus has shown a range of over 100 miles (160 km) in testing and has been demonstrated in Las Vegas, Nevada. However, this technology is in the development phase, and several major hurdles must be overcome before it can be adopted for transit fleet use, including available refueling infrastructure or use in bus stations.[15]"

 

You didn't defeat Democrats over civil rights to have the schools desegregated, it was a Supreme Court order. Busing involved removing schools based on race and that means inner city schools weren't allowed to be Black only. If your school district was desegregated enough to prevent neighboring schools from being White or Black only, there wouldn't have been court ordered busing.

 

Yes we did, the conservative Southerns and Republican party, I was VP of the Teenage Republicans in my major southern city in 1968 one reason because the Democrat history. The Democrats FINALLY after 100 years gave in because they knew it was going to cost them future elections as more blacks began voting. It was a Republican President who sent the troops to Little Rock to desegregate schools.

 

"Diversity" doesn't work at all. Societies that are homogenous are much better off than ones that aren't.