Koreans Will March Under One Flag In Olympics, As US Prepares For War

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You might be pleasantly surprised where it leads, vman12, stranger things have happened? So far as I know KJU has only expressed a readiness to retaliate, and has never mentioned any pre-emptive strike against the US. feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    Yeah it will be great, just like when Hitler was invited to the Olympics.

    I think they used that same argument.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am well familiar with this quote by Clark, but I hold serious doubts about it. After he retired in 1999 he seemed to go on a quest for relevance, giving conflicting speeches both in support of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Co, and later against them. He is believed to have entered the Democratic Party as a presidential candidate in 2004 as a matter of convenience because, obviously, the Republican party already had a candidate and the Democrats didn't. He could never seem to get it straight as to how he would have voted on the Iraq war if he had been in Congress at the time, saying first that he would have voted for it and later that he would never have voted for it.

    The quote your speaking of was made in his memoirs which were released in 2007, and I have seen the interview where he talks about it. But keep in mind that this was at a time when he was promoting his book. He refuses to name his source.

    Frankly, this guy is not reliable. He has vacillated on which party to support, his support or non-support for the war in Iraq, his support of Bush and Co, and, if that Pentagon general really did say those things to him in 2001, he waited 6 years to impugn Bush and Co with this alleged conversation, at a time when he was promoting his book. It was also a time when the war in Iraq was at its most difficult time for our troops and support for it was waning. It was once again a political season, and there he was, trying to be relevant, and probably searching for someone's coattails to latch onto. He gave his support first to Hillary Clinton, angling for vice president or some other post in her administration, but then, when Barrack Obama was nominated, he switched his support to him and was thought of by some as a possible vice presidential running mate.

    My evaluation of the man was that he was sort of a smarmy boot-licker, searching for relevance, and a transparent opportunist.

    I see no equivalence between Israel and North Korea. Again, I think this is a point where we could never agree. To make the argument that Israel has nukes so, therefore, North Korea can have nukes, is that sort of blanket approach that I can't subscribe to.

    I think there is a mountain of evidence that 9/11 was perpetrated by Al Qaeda for their own reasons, and I don't believe the U.S. government was complicit. I have had this debate with others many times, and I have found that it is fruitless.

    Haha, that "u" gave you away. :wink:

    Seth
     
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    I think Trump dreams to locate the USA nuke near China border. So he doesn't want to free North Korea from the nuclear weapons.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree. If Trump wanted to threaten China, or any country for that matter, with nuclear weapons, staging them on that country's border is not necessary.

    I've heard this narrative, and it makes no sense.
     
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    Why? The good military base is good money for your business from your budget. You have to be scared otherwise you would like to spend these money differently.
    Why?
     
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    First of all, no one in the U.S. wants to threaten China or Russia with nuclear weapons. Second, do you even know the delivery systems that are used?

    Nobody here even wants North Korea. The U.S. may attack North Korea's nuclear facilities at some point in the future. But the U.S. will not invade, and it will not conquer. Nobody here wants to do that. It's not going to happen.
     
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    You don't want to do it but you do it... Wow! Are you masochists?
    Yes, of course. I am a Russian DSP engineer. I suspect it's old Soviet rockets that was supplied from Ukraine. This part of the USSR is very unstable one.
    Recall please, we are talking about China. Why are you discussing any Korea? Nobody interests in both of them.
    I am afraid already not... The risk is very high now.
    Before the World War I people said the same. And before WWII too...
     
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    At the risk of repeating myself . . . jaw-jaw is better than war-war?
     
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    I don't disagree with you about Clark - I've never liked him. His decisions leading to the stand-off at Pristina Airport during the Bosnian war reveal he has judgement issues.

    But the fact is that he either had amazing perspicacity of what (more or less) came to be, or it was a damned lucky guess. A man with his background could, reasonably, be expected to have good friends and associates in the Pentagon who could've told him the plans, more or less, as he stated. His reasoning for making that public is a different matter.

    Then we disagree about Israel. The question ultimately boils down not to possession of nuclear weapons, but the willingness to use them. And Israel came very close to using theirs during the Yom Kippur war (HERE), something that NK, despite it's sabre-rattling and grandstanding has not done (yet).

    We disagree here too. It is unquestionable that Japan attacked Pearl Harbour leading the US to declare war. However, there is now powerful evidence pointing to the fact that Japan's plans were known to Roosevelt and that the Japanese fleet was tracked across the Pacific, as all their signals were being read by the US who had broken all their ciphers. The US knew Japan was going to attack, where and when - and let it happen because Roosevelt wanted to go to war but had to overcome public resistance to that. Pearl Harbour became his pawn.

    One intriguing clue about foreknowledge of 9/11 are the public revelations of Operation Able Danger's, Col. Anthony Shaffer, of the confiscation and destruction of 2.5 terabytes of data Able Danger had collected (HERE). Then we have PNAC's document Rebuilding America's Defences which outlined that what was needed to achieve the aims set out there was "some catastrophic and catalysing event", like a New Pearl Harbour (HERE).

    The oddness of English spelling dates back hundreds of years and was based on having numerical equivalents of each letter - which provided different and usually a hidden meaning to the obvious one. This was based on the system of Jewish Gematria, a cipher that concealed and transmitted knowledge to those in the know. Curious isn't it.
     
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    Trump is extremely successful in the domain of things he didn't want to happen but did as a result of his opposition to them.

    Fascinating, isn't he?
     
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    Clearly it wasn't in WW2.

    Appeasing Hitler is what lead to him almost winning.
     
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    FYI, dog eating is illegal in China.
     
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    Technically that's perfectly true. But don't forget that at the time Germany's military was rampaging all over Europe, so to use the in-phrase, he was known to be 'a clear and present danger'; at the moment of writing Russia isn't rampaging all over Europe? (nor, if I'm any judge, has any effing intention of doing so! If I were Putin I'd think I'm in the middle of some weird dream with all this neurotic western sabre-rattling going on.)
     
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    No. Hitler was invited to the summer games in 1936. He didn't invade Poland until 1939.
     
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    Oh right. But I think my message is clear.
     
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    It's a dog eat dog situation to me!
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Giving people who want to kill you what they want is never a good idea.
     
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    What, you think the Russians want to kill you then?
     
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    The action provokes counteraction. Let's compare it with Erdogan's policy towards unification and expansion of Turkey. Did his actions have much of a success? With americans, Russians, europeans, Syrians, kurds... That' a natural problem. If you start to solve a problem without luck or talent - you make the problem even worse. I would call it a problem of 'good intentions' which are completely not enough for a decision maker. On the other hand the public judges too strict and if there is no expected or promised result they would suspect the team which got it in pursuing different aims from the beginning.
     
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    No, North Korea.
     
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    Would be the smart move, he would get to remain the extremely wealthy northerner who is still quite isolated without the worry of a drone strike flying in and evaporating him for political reasons.

    I doubt the South would demand he stand trial for the crimes against humanity that he has committed, but hey, it's whatever right?

    Who cares about the hundreds of thousands of NK inmates living in beyond barbaric conditions.
     

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