Latest round of Gaza violence must be used to restore deterrence

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    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    Senior officials say Israel rejected the Egyptian ceasefire proposal, refusing to be dictated by the terror groups in Gaza, who apparently believed this flare-up would be over by Monday, when the holiday of Ramadan begins.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5504193,00.html

    No Ramadan and No Baklawa for the Gazan Jihadists !
     
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    MGB, I see that real facts still dont matter to you.
    Since Jan 2008 +5500 Palestinians have been killed.
    Over the same period Israeli fatalities were 236.
    And in EVERY major bellicose period, it did NOT START as per the Faux News mantra - "Hamas rockets are raining down on Israel. The Jewish state has the right to defend itself". Over what periods does the IDF admit that Hamas did not fire a single rocket. What triggered them in 2008, 2012, 2014, and 2019 to recommence? Want to go toe to toe with REAL FACTS?

    Who is the REAL terrorist?
     
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    Here is an example. Why did the IDF muirder two West Bank teenagers in May 2014? What did the foresensic analysis of the evidence by British experts reveal? What further murders were resultant from those killings by the IDF at Beitunia?

    https://wiki2.org/en/Beitunia_killings

    Have a look at the first paragraph of the chapter "Beginning of the Conflict" that Faux News never mentioned - https://wiki2.org/en/Timeline_of_the_2014_Israel–Gaza_conflict
    Care to comment on the "Palestinian teenagers murdered by IDF then settler teenagers murdered". How does that compare to the US/Israeli focus ONLY on the relaliatory murder of the settler teens?

    What happened then? What happened, after Hamas had not fired a single rocket at Israel since Nov 2012 (IDF source), when Israel assasinated a Hamas senior official in late June 2014. Come on. Head out of the sand.

    REAL facts DO matter?
     
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    Hamas are the REAL and ONLY terrorists ! Period.
    Hamas is the cause of their people's grief.
    Hamas is interested in destroying the State of Israel .. Well guess ... it will not happen.
    Hatred propaganda comes from jealousy of a country that is a beacon of light in the Middle East - Israel.
     
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    Sickening, pure disgustingly sickening. and
    your link.

    I think it was just last week a tied and blindfolded Palestinian in police custody was shot while trying to escape.

    What Israel has done, the total contempt for humanity and the support of this by the United States, UK and Europe has done, what it obviously would do due to us accepting such awful behaviour, even without the population of the US being brainwashed that Israel is a super clean democracy being hurt by the sub human Muslims who have invaded it - in a survey over 50% of Americans believed that it was Palestine occupying Israel not the other way round. It would be impossible for the west to support this killing and colonisation if it continued to believe in human and civic rights, so it is not surprising to see at the back of the support of this, deterioration of these in their own countries particularly in the United States. Of course the United States with Christian Zionists holding the power, whether through voting power as they have for the past 2 or 3 decades or due to being in Government as they are now, took this far, far, further going by the Clean Break plan and destroying the Middle East. killing millions and making tens of millions refugees. The American's then of course encouraged Europe to despise these people who through the actions of the United States had become desperate.

    We moved from WW2 one in which European Jews suffered massively and due to our ability to kill tens of millions in world wars the United Nations was born and many human rights set in order particularly so that no other people would ever suffer as European Jews did. The United Nations went against its own charter on Palestine and suggested two states though of course this was never ratified. Europe having learned from the World Wars gave up far right ethnic Nationalism and fascism. Israel supported by the West brought it back and now the West itself is on the brink of itself becoming ethnic nationalist and fascist. If the world survives it will be a period of time which leaves future people gobsmacked.
     
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    If the Arabs lay down their arms, there would be peace in the Middle East.
    If the Israelis put down their arms, there will be no Israel.
     
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    I am bowled over by the depth and acuity of your facts and logic. I see that in the past 2 years nothing has changed. Still clang-empty chauvinist non-rhetoric
     
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    More empty islamophobic clang-empty non-rhetoric. Nothing has changed.
    In full rebuttal of your non-evidence, allow me to point out to you that in 2002 at the Beirut Summit the Arab League offered Israel a negotiated peace agreement in return for the Israel's withdrawal to behind the Green Line. They re-endorsed the offer at the 2007 Arab League summit. Israel rejected both, Sharon rejecting it as a non-starter.
    Yes, I know that Faux News did not tell you that. Here is is: https://wiki2.org/en/Arab_Peace_Initiative
    Why did Israel reject peace three times (know when the first offer was made, and who made it, MGB? Hint: February 1071)?
    Because the "shining light" in the Middle East wanted to steal Gaza and the West Bank - that's what racist Apartheid regimes do.

    Now, you blame Hamas for wanting the destruction of Israel ... a faded dog-eared quoted from an outdated 1980's manifest, long since overridden many times. But why do you not provide us with the Likud manifest which has NEVER been overriden, denying the creation ... forever ... of a Palestinian state, in other words, its anihilation before it was ever born. Why, MGB? Please provide the Likud version for completeness.
     
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    nope, Israel would just steal more land
     
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    Once Israel has a Liberal leader again, they will make a decent peace offer
     
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