Latter Day Saints, The Mormons, my analysis so far!

I was impressed that The Book of Jasher refers to cloning.... many centuries before human technology got to the place where we could actually alter DNA.


Book of Jasher chapter 4:


"18 And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals."

I was also impressed to find out that a significant percentage of Latter day Saints had already read and studied this fascinating ancient writing.

 

If you would like to read a couple of chapters that I feel may have came largely from Lucifer / Satan I would refer to the eloquent prophecies of Balaam in the Book of Numbers.

Balaam seemed to be influenced by a spiritual being that envied the descendants of Jacob / Yacob and their privilege to play out a role under the sun.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/num/22/5/s_139005

 

Anyone thinking about becoming a Mormon should read the following letter by the Smithsonian Institution.It discusses facts I discovered on my own when I was investigating the claims of Mormonism. It is a short, and very important letter.

https://www.mrm.org/smithsonian

 

I can do without tobacco and alcohol. I value chaste monogamy, and have no interest in casual sex and sexual variety. People like me are attracted to Mormonism. That is why I wish it was true.

 

Thank you for this... but I am of the belief that the Smithsonian is rather biased....

Did museums ever destroy skeletons of giants?



http://www.creationoutreach.com/id432.html

 

http://www.beta.moshiach.com/index.php/item/ecuador

 

When I did an internet search for that photograph this is what I found.

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Fact check: Online post showing giant human skeletons is an old hoax
McKenzie Sadeghi
USA TODAY, September 8, 2020

An old hoax has resurfaced in an Instagram meme claiming that giant skeletons were found but were destroyed because “having to explain the existence of these skeletons, contradicted the evolution of mankind and creation.”

The July 25 post by the user @conspiracytheories, which has gained over 54,700 likes, reads, “Giant skeletons were found by the thousands, but most were destroyed or thrown in the ocean by the Smithsonian and Vatican.”

The account has not responded to USA TODAY’s request for comment...

The National Geographic Society has been battling the hoax since 2004...

“The hoax began with a doctored photo and later found a receptive online audience —thanks perhaps to the image’s unintended religious connotations,” National Geographic wrote in 2007, adding it “has not discovered ancient giant humans.”

Users often cite an article from India’s Hindu Voice to back up the claim that giant skeletons were found in India. However, National Geographic wrote that the Hindu Voice editor published a retraction after readers alerted the publication that the story was a hoax.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ng-giant-human-skeletons-old-hoax/5534909002/

 

The Smithsonian is biased in favor of the truth. Did you read the letter I posted the link to? I will explain it in my own words, like I did to those two Mormon missionaries who tried to convert me when I was nineteen years old.

DNA evidence clearly connects the American Indians to people who still live in north east Siberia. That is just exactly what we should expect because American Indians are descended from people who crossed to what is now Alaska about 15,000 years ago. There is no evidence of Jewish DNA in the New World before the European settlement because, contrary to what Joseph Smith claimed, the American Indians are not descended from Jews who crossed the Atlantic prior to the sixteenth century.

The Book of Mormon mentions animals and crops that were not in the Americas before the Spanish settlement. On the other hand, The Book of Mormon is completely ignorant of what archaeologists have discovered really was happening from 600 B.C. to 421 A.D. There is no mention of the Olmecs, the Zapotecs, the Mayans, and the Teotihuacans. These are the civilizations that really existed back then. Their architectural indicates no influence from the Israelites. That is what we would expect to find, if there was a connection between them and the Old Testament Israelites.

 

All that I know is that Latter day Saints take near death experience accounts seriously and in my opinion that is a major reason for me to take The Book of Mormon seriously.

I believe that NDE accounts are a powerful tool to awaken millions..... and maybe even billions... over the coming years and decades.

Did you read this article that I copied and pasted in post number one hundred and six here?


http://www.beta.moshiach.com/index.php/item/ecuador

 

Anyone can find something on the internet they agree with. Tell me what the article says in your own words, like I did with the letter from the Smithsonian Institute.

Biblical archaeology exists. There is no Book of Mormon archaeology. There is no independence that any of the events recounted in the Book of Mormon happened.

I really do not see what this has to do with near death experiences.

 

I taught English in Quito, Ecuador for a year and a half and around New Year's I saw the First Nations people's of Ecuador building what sure looked like Sukkot's.......
and that reminded me of that article that I had read even before I went there in January of 2001.

 

You believe in the Book of Mormon because you want to. I want to believe in it too. Mormonism appeals to me emotionally. Nevertheless, I know that I am less likely to make mistakes if I recognize unpleasant truths and act accordingly, than if I behave as thought pleasant fantasies are true.

 

No, because museums are not conspiring to hide evidence of creationism. If you want evidence of Darwinian evolution, go to a zoo and look at the chimpanzees and gorillas. See how human they look. That is because we have a common ancestor.

 

Good point... but personally I think that God evolved......
or learned over infinite time in the past but Adam and Eve were created with a rather advanced DNA..... before the creation of Adam and Eve, ( or perhaps even five Adam and Eve pairs if Edgar Cayce is correct)... there were lots of types of angels or Watchers created....some of whom when off into really dangerous psychological experiments....

The following several paragraphs from a near death experience account that an Atheist had reminds me very much of chapter thirteen in "Stephen Hawking's Universe" ... That chapter was entitled The Anthropic Principle... and in it Dr. Hawking explains an Agnostic variation on the Cyclic Model of the Universe but..... this very Theistic version of a Cyclic Model is much more logical once the larger picture is considered....

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

This is the best simplified explanation of the larger picture that I could come up with....
www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

I haven't even read a hundred percent of the Book of Mormon yet myself but what I personally am going by is that Latter day Saints accept near death experience accounts... and I personally want to find a church that accepts these accounts... because they give me simple and easily understood information on virtually all subjects that I can understand and use to attempt to inspire or encourage others......

Yes... what I have read of the Book of Mormon does really impress me...... Prophet Joseph Smith reminds me of the modern Rick Joyner... who I also consider was given dreams and visions on information that he could not simply have made up......







His third book in that trilogy fits perfectly with chapter forty one of Gospel Principles.....





https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

This idea of the spirits in paradise being able to teach the spirits in prison.... fits brilliantly with some of the NDE accounts that I have read...... and leaves me with a Creator who has designed a truly merciful and generous and brilliant plan for all human souls.....

I personally consider that NDE accounts may be the major fulfillment of this scripture available to us now in 2020....

John 16:25

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These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

And so here I am confronted with the fact that the people who read the Book of Mormon take NDE accounts seriously... so I must take the Book of Mormon seriously........ that book is producing what I consider exceptionally good results now in 2020..... I do not know of any other large Christian denomination that I can reach by driving for merely one hour.... and they take NDE accounts seriously................... so I have to consider that maybe I could fit with another church for the first time since 1991..... when I separated from the Worldwide Church of God .....

 

I think LDS are always looking for the lost tribes of Israel writings. However, those will be revealed through the Lord's Prophets and not historians. I'm reminded of a nun who worked at the local Catholic High School where I taught for 16 years. She was LDS in her youth. When she was 22, she ran across some information by an anti-Mormon showing her some fraudulent information about Joseph Smith the Kinderhook Plates. Something I studied while at Brigham Young University. She said she thought that Joseph Smith translated the plates and therefore was a fraudulent Prophet and converted to Catholicism. At the time, she was in her 70's and I didn't want to destroy her entire faith. But, she was spreading misinformation to others one day about it and I said to her that I too have studied the controversy and found Joseph Smith had taken the plates to translate thinking it may be records to the Brother of Jared's people from the Tower of Babel. The Jaradites. But, Joseph Smith never did present any effort nor translation of those plates because he quickly figured out that they were fraudulent plates by the local anti-Mormons. She didn't say anything and I never pursued it with her.

I don't see the mixing of animals as cloning. And, we know that when different animals try to mate, if there is a baby animal from it, it's sterile. Animals do get rather confused at times. But, so do humans when it comes to sexual orientation. They get topsie-turvy as well. But, animals don't commit sin either.

Altering DNA isn't creating or organizing DNA either. Man is still unable to come close to creating life at the most basic level. If we are true to our covenants we make in the Temple of the Lord we may have that opportunity to do so. We can produce a child without sexual intercourse. Which the immaculate conception is. The Holy Ghost performing a surgical procedure with the sperm of the Father and the egg of Mother Mary. But, that's not creating new DNA or life out of nothing.

 

I admit that I am biased... but near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai was shown
about full fledged cloning taking place before the flood. I have taken fourteen of his courses already........ and I consider that what he was shown about the pre-flood situation is one of the most logical explanations that fits with all the relevant scriptures that I have heard so far.




"Exposing the Nephilim" - Kevin Zadai
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One part of my bias is that I don't laugh at what the gifted Edgar Cayce wrote on this topic either????

 

When I read Genesis 6 I see the righteous or the sons of God married the beautiful women and had children. The "Giants" are just thrown in and I'm not sure why but there is no indication they had sexual intercourse with those women. They could have but it's unimportant to what happened. I think where he makes his mistake is assuming the third of the hosts of heaven before that foundations of the earth were laid rebelled and were thrust down to the earth to tempt man with their leader, Satan, who is Lucifer. And, I see no mention of the need for cloning since the righteous men (The sons of God) married (a covenant that was made) the women and bore children. This idea he has is dividing mankind based on physical differences instead of spiritual differences of choosing good and evil.

And, he said the wicked souls in the days of Noah are the ones tempting mankind trying to take over their bodies because they will never regain their bodies? Rubbish. Jesus went into the spirit prison where those very souls of the people of Noah's time were imprisoned. 1Peter 3:18-20. The spirits or demons that desire our bodies are Lucifer's angels or followers as they lost their first estate and never received human bodies. I had to turn it off after that. Sorry. Better time spent listening to true prophets of God. Thou are being deceived. You are a son of God today. Through repentance and the atonement of Christ, you will receive your body back in the resurrection because you did not follow Lucifer in the pre-earth life. And, you have the opportunity to receive not just salvation but exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom. Why waste time on this nonsense?

 

My wife is a gifted Pentecostal and reading books by Rick Joyner and Dr. Kevin Zadai assist me to understand the gifting that she has.

This book has a theme that fits extremely well with Gospel Principles chapter forty one. I think that Jesus wants those of us who are led by the Holy Spirit to take several steps toward each other so that we can cooperate more effectively.





https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

 

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been for decades trying to work more with others in the religious world as well in the secular world to bring souls unto Christ. But, I don't see a whole lot of other Christian Churches that have any desire to work with the Church. Unless there is a natural disaster, they want to stay away from us, teach falsehoods about us and attack us when possible. I'm a representative of our Ward at our town's ministerial association. Most of the participants are Universalists, Methodists and we do have a Catholic and also a member of the old Reorganized LDS Church. But, no Baptists, or other Protestant Churches will meet with us. Not just because of us but also the Universalists. They are basically good people trying to help others in need. Way too liberal for me but I still attend and find it easy to get along with them as they have gotten to know me.

There are obviously great and wonderful people who believe in Christ in all Christian Churches. There are great Jewish people like my Brother and his family. My parents. There are great people of Eastern Religions and even Muslims who I know and get along with well. But, the key to progression is to accept the ordinances that must be performed by those in authority to do so. Not just myopically one or two ordinances. But, all of those ordinances that move people to Eternal Life eventually in the Celestial Kingdom. Without accepting these principals in this life or the next, progression stops. That includes the family. You know the truth. But, you are letting all sorts of philosophies and other things unimportant to your exaltation get in the way. Be stronger in the faith and doctrine to lead your family to paradise and the Celestial Kingdom. I'm sure the Terrestrial Kingdom is a nice place but, meh...2nd place.

 

I got an unusual prophecy back in 2015 that is kind of serious.......
if I get baptized LDS I may NOT be able to perform this potentially important role so well.......
technically as a non-LDS .. I may be ten thousand percent better at introducing LDS missionaries and officials to Jews living in Israel.... Pentecostals and Christians who work with the Alpha Movement......


Scroll down to post number nine to see the prophecy that I got that I posted to this forum five years ago.....


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ecided-to-leave-canadas-liberal-party.437324/

 

https://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

 

You Latter day Saints have a teaching that there is something truly inspired about the USA political model....... and I am forced to admit that you really could be onto something important with that idea......

Should Canada adopt aspects of the USA political model to avoid ....

This discussion is related....

Could President Trump and Rudy be heroes??????

 

Although I am really impressed that Latter day Saints accept near death experience accounts and have what I think is an exceptionally accurate teaching on how the dead can progress in the afterlife.......... I personally listened to this particular near death experiencer a huge amount in this past year or so. He is technically Pentecostal not Latter day Saint.



"Your Battlefield Becomes Your Platform" -Kevin Zadai

 

Are you a Mormon? If you are you did not respond to my criticisms of The Book of Mormon and The Book of Abraham.