Left vs Right in USA

You as well. ;D

Oh you don't know how to use a dictionary?

Just admit you cannot define good vs evil and explain to me how this applies to liberals. You've lost this debate. You are obviously pulling statements from your arse since you have nothing of value to offer.

Anything else you would like to say? I'm aware people like you always want to have the last say.

There is a distinction between torture and corporal punishment.

Torture is used upon suspects to obtain information. Corporal punishment is used on individuals who have been found to commit a crime and are punished for it.

 

So you only support corporal punishment, not torture?

 

If it were to deter individuals from committing crimes then sure.

 

This world is sick

 

That would be a meaningless admission, since the definition you're asking for is worthless.

No doubt it appears so to the intellectually and morally bankrupt. How it could appear so to anyone else is, I'm afraid, a complete mystery to the commonsensically inclined.

 

We've had protests in which the protesters have chanted, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it, now!

[video=youtube;dj4ARsxrZh8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8[/video]

Particularly in New York the city administration had (up until the recent cop shooting) been supportive of the protesters. It's the police unions that are saying that the Mayor has blood on his hands.The city government in New York may not have been supportive of the idea of dead cops, but didn't think it was a big enough deal to call the protesters on it. There has been several months in which the government has given it's tacit approval to the anti cop message (the Obama administration sent three representatives to the Michael Brown funeral). So what did you think was going to happen?

Meanwhile, I recall when a certain Arizona Congresswoman was shot in Arizona, the left couldn't wait until she was even loaded onto the ambulance before they started blaming the right in general and Sarah Palin (?) in particular. You guys have a long record of false accusations, so when you've been directly blaming the cops for the past several months for deliberately targeting young black men, are you surprised that someone started to believe you?

An example from this very thread:

 

Let me see if I can help you with that. Prior to 2006, the GOP (right) and the DNC (left) worked together to find common ground to move the country forward. If you checked the Congressional Voting Records, you will find very few party line votes. In 2006, the DNC won control of both the Congress and the Senate. That is when the left started playing an interesting mind trick on the general public. To best describe the trick, imagine standing on the deck of a ship as it begins to move away from the dock. Someone asks you if it is the ship or the dock that was moving. For a brief moment, you can actually entertain the thought that it is the dock that is moving. Then reality and common sense returns, and you realize that it is the ship that is moving. Since 2006, the liberal elite has been moving further left, and using the media to keeping the moderate left and low information voters believing that it is the right that is moving. Ask a liberal how the right is moving. They will ignore you, or give some rhetorical comment. On the rare occasion that a liberal does respond, they claim that right are being obstructionists. The fact is both sides are being obstructionists. The left refuses to work with the right, and the right refuses to rubberstamp an extremist leftwing agenda.

Now, the real question is how do we move in a direction of healing? The rightwing will logically say to give them control of the country, and let them undue the excesses of the current administration. But giving the GOP an overwhelming majority in both houses, and the Presidency would be as bad as it was giving the DNC that much power in 2008. What is needed is a slight GOP majority in both houses, and a moderate GOP President. That way the conservatives will not attempt to extract justice for the liberal excesses.

Now, watch the liberal responses to my post, and judge the validity for yourself.

 

Actually they weren't chanting that. That was a badly edited video that then got spun into Right Wing Blogosphere where by then, facts don't matter.They were actually chanting: "We won't stop! We can't stop! Till killer cops are in cell blocks!"



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/..._6372468.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics
http://kennethburns.tumblr.com/post/105880025613/west-family-and-supporters-call-out-fox45

 

If cops were caught on camera executing Christians for praying and the government refused to even indict them, what would you do? Would you be happy or sad if one of those cops died? Now, imagine if this was a widespread epidemic and Christians were always being executed in the streets for praying by the police and nothing was done about it, dont pretend you wouldnt be happy if some of them died.

 

Thats actually a different video, but on that video yes you are right they did alter the video to make it sound worse.

This NYC street video however I believe is the real deal.

 

Hahah. Welcome to PF my left wing friend. Yes, political junkies don't get along. Most Americans don't follow politics, you are looking at 1% of the population and it is the crazy part.

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Where is this widespread epidemic of whites killing blacks? Check the stats, you are repeating a lie. More whites get killed by blacks than other way around. 33,000 more white women will be raped by blacks then vice versa. There is no such epidemic of whites hunting blacks.

 

No, you are confusing your protests. The protest you are referring to was a Washington DC protest. The video I posted was a NY protest. And it's been reported in print multiple times.

Nice try though.

 

You are actually making my point to [MENTION=54249]iJoeTime[/MENTION] again in this thread.

Police are not going around summarily executing young black males. The fact you are implying that they are is exactly what I'm talking about.

You've been very helpful to me in this thread, thanks!

 

Eureka!

In other words: no thinking required.

 

Welcome to PF, in all its glory. This problem has existed since the Gaza conflict this year more or less. Also concidentally during the Ferguson protests. The rhetoric has been this bad a few times in the past. The times where it's happened were the 2012 and 2014 elections, and during OWS. Times when the left was getting vocal about their beliefs, saying that it was the right's fault for all the problems in the world. The right in return turned out threads and all sorts of hatred before it just died down as the media stopped covering it anymore.

Now then, I saw that yguy said something very interesting.
"Because, speaking dispassionately, the right generally inclines toward good, and the left toward evil."

A good versus evil fight? Sounds like a theory I once read about terrorism. It had to do with an idea called "Cosmic War", where terrorists were good and their opponents evil. Only one could survive the clash between the two of them, and good always triumph. The solution was to stop with the rhetoric, and reach towards the moderates of the group. Now a terrorism theory isn't the same thing as why two sides can't see eye to eye, but it's worth noting.

So if we want the situation to improve, we need to start debating seriously with people who actually want to have a conversation on the issues. There would need to be more pressure on the moderates to speak up and voice their opinions. If the moderates did that, then we would be in a better position.

 

Well, some of it is theatrics. This is an online internet forum, afterall. Gotta make things interesting!

 

The most interesting thing I know of is "functional". "Dysfunctional", if there are serious issues involved is downright painful.

What if we are being "played" with the theatrics you mention? Do you resent that?

Do you assume there is nothing that can be done about, IF we are? And do you assume there is no way to know IF we are bring played?

There is a way. And I propose it is a lot more interesting than theatrics.

http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...assure-info-vital-life-shared-understood.html

I assure you, there are very serious issues and government is not accountable meaning citizens NEED to communicate on those issues with sincerity. Accordingly, if there are people posing as party members and pretending to be bashing each other, should we just be entertained by the "theatre", and assume its also real?

Or is nothing real and Americans have no place to seriously discuss anything? Are we involuntarily disassociated by a theatre covertly imposed upon us?

Will we pretend it's okay to give up potentials for real and productive discourse because we cannot devise a way to know who is sincere and who is not?

 

not if it's humorous or entertaining

yes, there are some grave issues like economics, changing demographics, and protecting individual liberties, but sometimes it's easier to have a light-hearted debate about something more trivial and controversial.

 

You already categorized yourself my friend, you aren't fooling anyone except maybe yourself, you're a leftie posing as a centrist.

 

Of course not. After all, anyone who has to cogitate over the prospect of copulating with a 5 year old before he knows whether it's right or wrong is clearly a danger to society.

I knew we'd find common ground eventually.

 

Theatre is not always about something trivial and the infiltration of government always loves to have serious debate made impossible by covert theatre that is artificially made to look real serious by the theatre.

 

That actually HAPPENS in the world and then you whine about the United States. Try living somewhere else where things like that occur so that you can APPRECIATE where you live. You are lucky to be here.

 

September 5, 2014
Yes, I Blame White Liberals
By Lloyd Marcus

A white teacher said he routinely overhears vulgar and racist comments from students at an all-black high school. I blame the black youths' negative mindset on blacks in the civil rights exploitation business and white liberals with their stomach-turning bigotry of lowered expectations.

We see snooty, arrogant, superior intellectual-sounding white liberal pundits and hosts all over TV touting their absurd narrative that blacks have a right to be angry in racist America and must be coddled. These liberal celebs followed certain steps and behaviors to achieve success. And yet, they claim that expecting blacks to follow the same road map to success is racist. Blacks should be repulsed by this liberal narrative, which implies that we are inferior. I want to scream, “How dare you lower the bar for me? I be as smart as any white person!” Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I have witnessed the same racist mindset in a white liberal couple who are longtime friends. They have had financial highs and lows in their efforts to run various businesses. They work hard and will take any job to pay their bills. Applying for government welfare is not on their radar. They employed horrible black employees, always making excuses for them, giving them a pass because they were black. I was amazed that they could not see the racism at the root of their low expectations, disguised as compassion.

At every turn, liberals send the message that blacks are lesser Americans. Liberals say it is hateful for conservatives/Republicans to expect blacks to speak English correctly, show an ID to vote, refrain from murdering each other, and stop dropping out of school. White liberals say asking blacks to refrain from having babies out of wedlock is culturally insensitive and imposes morality on them. Libs ignore the truth that fatherless households contribute to gang membership, black-on-black violence, and poverty. Do you see the pattern? White liberals insinuate that urban blacks are poor uncouth savages. Therefore, a 6'4” 290-pound black thug should be given a pass for robbing a convenience store, assaulting the clerk, and attacking a police officer while on his way to Grandma's house.

By the way, 54% of black kids grow up in single-parent households, which was reported as high as 72% in 2010.

Years ago, I spoke to a class of black students at a Baltimore middle school. Diction was so lazy and poor, I had to ask several students numerous times to pronounce their names before I understood what they were saying. Why was such lazy speech tolerated?

My late Aunt Nee was a pastor and a brilliant black woman with only a fourth-grade formal education – an avid reader and studier. Aunt Nee did not tolerate lazy or inarticulate speaking from me and my siblings. Etched on my brain is her sending me to the corner store at 7 or 8 years old. “Ask the man for Uneeda Biscuits.” She pronounced each syllable and spelled the word. She respected my intelligence.

Politically, white liberals pander to blacks to recruit Democrat voters, which furthers their socialist/progressives agenda. Their sales pitch is that every problem in the black community is caused by racist white America. Therefore, blacks cannot achieve without big-government intervention – without lowered standards and entitlements to make things fair. I suspect that secretly, many white liberals do believe they are superior.

White students are taught to feel guilty for their “white privilege,” instructed to be tolerant of black anger and irresponsible behavior. Black students who do not resent white America are called stupid traitors to their race.

During a debate on TV, a fellow black guest attacked me, saying, “I have researched you, and you never met a white person you didn't like.” The liberal host of the TV show said nothing. Imagine the fallout had that same statement been made by a white person to another white person. “You never met a black you didn't like.”

To all you liberal college professors and intellectuals who say blacks are still suffering the psychological repercussions of slavery, please knock it off. You evil race hustlers are all about exploiting the goodness and fair-mindedness of the American people.

Slavery happened a gazillion years ago. Get over it.

In the 1960s, my black college buddies and I were huge Star Trek fans. We loved watching the racially mixed crew of the starship Enterprise, on which race was not an issue. Further making the point was the episode where white Captain Kirk kissed black Lieutenant Uhura, which was pretty racy and shocking on TV back then.

Gifting an unworthy black president two terms confirms that Americans long to be united as one nation under God. America's desire for national unity is sabotaged by liberals. Their modus operandi is to divide Americans into feuding angry voting blocs – rich vs. poor, black vs. white, employers vs. employees. They want Americans convinced they are victims due to their race, gender, or economic standing. Liberals consistently rip open “healed” racial civil rights wounds and pour in fresh salt. Despicable.

Liberals have been feeding black America excrement sandwiches for decades. Sadly, a majority of my fellow black Americans blinded by decades of liberal indoctrination and MSM spin keep consuming this excrement as if it is filet mignon.

For crying out loud, look at what liberals offer us. They did an extreme makeover, packaging black thugs Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, promoting them as heroes to black America. White liberals awarded an immoral black rapper who had 11 babies by 10 women with his own reality TV show, titled All My Babies' Mamas.

Meanwhile, liberals reject and even vilify excellent black role models like world-renowned retired neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson and businessman extraordinaire Herman Cain. Why would liberals do that if they truly care about empowering blacks? Why do they offer us low-rent faux black role models and reject the real deal?

Black America, you have been sleeping with the enemy, Democrats and white liberals, for far too long. It is time to politically get out of bed, shower to wash away the stench of liberal racist low expectations, and use conservatism as the vehicle to speed to the fulfillment of your American dreams.

 

Why does the left use the forces of the federal government, such as the IRS, to attack the right? Why does a President in the face of rioting and burning tell the rioters to "stay the course"? Why does the present cheer all protests whether they're OWS or the racists? Why does the Attorney General of the United States support the rioters and racists?

And why does a leftist try to pretend to be neither right nor left? Go ahead, take a stand. You're position is painfully obvious.

Remember Gov. Dean, leftist, who said, "I hate all Republicans and everything they stand for."

 

I don't. It doesn't sound real, and I find it very difficult to believe that you could get a crowd of people to walk down a street chanting that in the first place. I'd say the odds of that audio being genuine are about the same as the odds of Britney Spears hitting three correct notes in a row during a live performance.