Leftists: when would you take up arms against the government?

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  1. modernpaladin

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    Its common ime for rightists to explain when exactly (they think) they would take up arms against an out-of-control government. But seldom for leftists.

    Is this because you never would? Is it because you havn't thought about it?

    Describe the government that you think you would be willing to become a violent, 'criminal traitor'* to oppose in armed conflict. If one exists at all.

    *(hyphenated because 'criminal' and 'traitor' are becoming increasingly subjective as politics polarize)
     
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    The Iron Curtain was dismantled without arms. You don't need to shoot people to get what you want, as long as the people are with you and if it's for the good of the population.

    You might be required to be willing to sacrifice your own life but you don't need to kill someone yourself.
     
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    Why do many Americans think their government will go tyrannical if a handful models of guns are banned?

    What drives this fear?
     
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    Because those models arent used in much crime, and are most useful in resisting tyranny.

    What sort of a government (if any) would you take up arms against?
     
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    If you take the Western world, none. Can we assume such governments as the UK, Australia and now New Zealand have gone tyrannical because they don't have assault guns?
     
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    I wouldn't say they're tyrannical. But neither are there no assault guns there. Just a lot of illegal ones.

    Give it a couple generations and we'll see how they fair in the individual rights category. In the civilization time scale, they havnt restricted gun ownership for very long at all.

    What sort of non-western government (if any) would you take up arms against?
     
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    I wouldn't ever nor encourage anyone to do so. We have an amazing Constitution.. and in works in spite of the occasional jack ass in the WH.
     
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    You're smart. Well said.
     
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    That's true.

    The Iron Curtain came down without arms.

    I mean 100 million people had to die first, but eventually the bodies of the unarmed piled up far enough.
     
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    Are you aware of the statistics behind democide?
     
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    Agreed. Assuming you're talking about the US, I wouldn't advocate violent rebellion either.

    The question is: is there a scenario in which you would?

    For example: if my government passed into law that I had to be sterilized to control population growth, I would shoot anyone who came to enforce it, and I would attempt to convince others to do so with me. Thats a pretty extreme example, unlikely to occur in my lifetime, but its an example nonetheless of what OP is asking about.
     
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    Trust the Constitution and support it.. I am sick to death of all these rebel wannabes.
     
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    In China? Russia? Where exactly?

    Like Assad's father Hayfez Assad in Syria?
     
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    I support it and advocate for it because I dont trust that others always will. Rebellion is the backup plan.

    How far would the constitution have to be violated before you would stop trusting it and consider a backup plan of your own? Is there no level of government overreach you would violently resist?
     
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    Sorry, was just doing some research. Looks like Burma, Cambodia, North Korea, Belarus, Greece and Zimbabwe are supposed to be countries with tyrannical governments, that is, those who's governments have full control and dictatorship. To be honest, never in a million years I would have thought Greece to be on the list; yes to NK and Zimbabwe and I haven't a clue with the others.

    And if I/you lived in any of those countries, would you take up arms against your government? It appears their culture, thus that culture would be ours, means we wouldn't.

    Would America go dictatorship because assault rifles are scrapped? I wish I had £1bn to put a bet on to say no. I don't think a civil war against your military will go to plan, with or without assault rifles.

    With the likes of globalization, allies, bodies such as NATO etc... going back to the olden independence days etc.. is a thing of the past.
     
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    The British support their uncodified constitution too. No hang ups here.
     
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    It depends how the tyranny manifested. If it left me alone on my property, I would, sadly, probably respond in kind. If it appeared that it was likely to kill me, enslave me or take my property and leave me destitute, I would seek like minded assistance in resisting it.
     
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    Globally.

    History is replete with governments killing their own people all over the entire world.
     
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    There is an old saying that lays it out something like: The three boxes of liberty, the soap box, the ballot box, and the ammo box. Once one fails, you must move to the next.

    The current trend of our politicians and their propaganda outlets attacking the electoral system as broken, corrupt, ineffective, tainted... is a dangerous game for them to play, because once the ballot box is no longer believed to be an effective way to send the scoundrels packing, there is but one box left. Even if it really is broken, it's dangerous to use that as a political ball, like the democrats have been doing.

    The irony is, Democrat constituents really have lost all control of their primary nomination process, as was evidenced in 2016. Nobody's vote mattered, it was going to be HRC regardless, and the DNC was going to make sure of it. But, instead of addressing that, they expended all their effort to falsely claim the election was rigged for DJT by the Russians, or Comey tainted the results, or whatever other loony BS they could come up with other than the truth that HRC was just a horrible candidate that literally anyone would have beaten.

    So now, democrats are left knowing that their primary process is worthless, AND they've been conditioned to believe, by their own propaganda outlets, that DJT was elected illegitimately.

    I think that if anyone takes up arms against their government, it will be leftists. Republican constituents learned in 2016 that they can nominate and elect damn near anyone they want, and the establishment republicans in DC can do absolutely nothing to stop them.... as it should be. And as long as they can send the scoundrels packing at the ballot box, their ammo box can remain sealed.
     
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    You forgot the jury box, just ftr.
     
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    That's why I don't want to give up on the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
     
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    Speak for yourself and stop projection on "democrats".
     
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    when all peaceful viable means of affecting change are made illegal

    thats when i choose violence
     
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    Rightists are hypocrites because they refuse to take up arms against this:

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    By contrast I have said that this is the solution to the genocide committed by white cops:



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    Stopping government abuse through open display of arms is not a leftist position. It is a patriotic position. In the past when I've challenged forum righties perhaps only one or two gave some reluctant agreement.


    As someone of principle, I say this should be the norm, not the exception. My only problem with those two photos is that the patriots in them were not sufficiently armed. I want to see them having bazookas, Sherman tanks, Howitzers, and Apache helicopters. Any right winger who would deny them that right is a hypocrite. Anyone who agrees with this principle is a true patriot.
     
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    Ironically, up to now it was the Republicans who made that criticism of the Electoral College. Quote:

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    The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

    8:45 PM - 6 Nov 2012




    Up to that time, forum right wingers were in agreement. Now they find any such criticism objectionable. As always they display their pathetic lack of consistency of principle every day on this forum.
     

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