"Let Obama Care Fail" says Trump

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  1. Oh Yeah

    Oh Yeah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump just received word that two more Senators, total four, will not go along with Repeal and Replace. His reaction was to say "Let Obama Care fail". This way Trump will not have any fingers on the healthcare results.
    I believe this is the right decision. The Democrats now have their victory and Obama Care is still the law. Lessons are about to be learned. The right decision?
     
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    Yes. Hopefully never to be replaced.
     
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    They are preventing any fixes. Insurance companies are pulling out due to uncertainty.

    Trump is intentionally hurting people who need health care
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    When people can't get medical care, do you think they are going to blame Obama now? LOL!!! Not a chance. The Reps are going to be wearing this around their necks like an anchor for years.

    Name all the Presidents who declared war on sick people.
    Trump.
    Anyone else?
     
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    They have been pulling out long before Trump. FAIL, but I see what your new fake news will be.
     
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    The GOP, in control of the Executive, the Senate, and the House, are responsible for the state of the nation's health care system. If they are impotent to pass a replacement or make the necessary changes to the ACA, the American people will hold them responsible.
     
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    Let it fail and repeal the taxes.

    Everyone just needs to go back to what they had.
     
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    The GOP doesn't have a supermajority. There's a significant minority of House Democrats, not to mention the more narrow Senate margin. The Democrats do not really want to improve the ACA, and in fact their only suggestion of improving is to double down on the same things that made the ACA a mess to begin with.

    And the Republicans? Historically, they don't expand the role of government typically(the exceptions being defense spending/Patriot Act.) Asking Republicans to micromanage this bill is like asking a skier to be a mountain climber.

    We're screwed, and we'd been screwed since Nancy Pelosi betrayed the nation in 2009 by even letting this atrocity pass the 2009 House.
     
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    Do you honestly think that could even exist anymore? Health care was in crisis with costs spinning out of control pre Obama. That's why they passed reform in the first place. The cost of health care would have skyrocketed with or without Obamacare. The ACA sought to bend the cost curve, which I believe it did.

    Going back to what it was means millions of people are screwed. Trump obviously doesn't care but you will.
     
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    This is what I have wanted all along. If you can't fix the bill correctly, due to not enough votes to get to 60 in the Senate, just leave it alone. Let America see what this bill really does.

    I think we should put all three phases of the bill to a vote, and see who is a yea and who is a nay. Then, we can see who needs to be primaried in 2018.
     
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    No they won't. The public will NEVER hold the GOP responsible for Obamacare. Get a clue.
     
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    Except it didn't. With skyrocketing premiums and significant out-of-pocket costs, health care is just as if not more expensive now then it was when the law was passed in 2009. Only now you have basically class warfare(the subsidies) which will make lower-class citizens stay on the rung, and is cost prohibitive for middle-class citizens who must in effect be the 'investors' for those poor/unhealthy people.

    This is an unmitigated disaster in Finance, concocted by a bunch of egotists in Washington who can't possibly contemplate what it means to be a middle class person.
     
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    except it's no longer Obamacare but Trumpnoncare
     
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    Obamacare was never about health care. It was just a Trojan horse to allow leftists to grab more over the people.

    Leftists prefer a top-down society, where elitists in Washington organize society according to their preferences, leaving us peons to grovel for crumbs.
     
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    Bluff
     
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    Regardless of the hyper-partisan finger-pointing, it is the Republicans who railed against "ObamaCare" for seven years, and their President who assured everyone that he would replace it with "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!"

    With the ACA's popularity rising as Americans come to grips with losing it, the GOP has screwed themselves.

    Do advanced nations provide the pragmatic paradigm of covering all at far lower cost? Obviously, but ideology wreaks havoc with common sense.
     
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    How can you blame Trump? He is sitting in the Oval office with a box of pens willing to sign any Health Care bill that comes his way. You all have that wonderful Obama care that was a fix all for years to come. I would lay the blame on the Democrats for lying to America about Obama Care. I blame the Republicans in Congress for lying after sending a repeal bill for seven years to the former President but unable to send up a Repeal bill to President who would have been willing to sign it. I think they will not hold onto the Senate in the next election.
     
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    doing nothing and just letting the individual market collapse, will have a bad affect on the stock market and the GOP's chances in 2018.

    now is the time for the Democrats to start making some proposals.

    ideas of how to stabilize the individual market and some carrots for the GOP to come aboard.
     
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    People aren't concerned with losing it(it's not all that great. It's a one-sized fits all, expensive plan that most never wanted.) People are concerned that if we repeal and don't replace, it ends up actually being worse for a lot of people.

    There is no happy medium with the current solutions out of Washington. The best of the pitiful batch of choices thus far is Single-Payer. And the only reason I converted to Single-payer is simple: Costs are going to be high regardless, I'd rather pay in pure government taxes then to pay the government AND Health Insurance. I think Single-payer will be slightly cheaper, but not that much.
     
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    Sure, let the ACA fail.

    In comes Single Payer.... Don't be fooled, these 2 dysfunctional parties couldn't care less..... Only the partisan schmucks who vote along party lines think there's any difference.
     
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    Let it fail is the best news I have heard all day. The President, Congress and House of Representatives are NOT responsible for providing health care to the American people. They should not have passed the previous health care bill.
     
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    Now here is making some crap up. How do you even make such an insane leap? For ownership to be passed a law must be passed changing it. That has not happened.

    We still live under the disaster known as Obamacare. It was not about affordability. It was not about quality of care. It was about power and control taken by a Centralized Authoritarian Government. The Democrats didn't care about solving any problem. We know that, because they didn't read it before they passed it. They knew one thing and one thing only, it offered them greater Federal Government control over the people's lives and that is all that matters to a Democrat / Liberal.
     
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    Trump ran with the idea of replacing it but never had a real plan that works. How isn't he at fault? He seems to be letting the GOP make the new law instead of rolling up his sleeves. I find it rather disappointing.
     
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    Absolutely, this pullout has been going on for the last 4 years. Long before Trump ever decided to run, the Dems were praying Granny would win and they would be able to throw trillions at the problem and crutch it up but their worst fears happened and they lost the farm, cows, tractors and the purse string and now their getting plowed along with everyone else that bought the dung samitchs Muhahhaha!
     
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