Let the investigations play out.

They are very afraid to let it play out.

 

Who is?

Frankly, they have nothing in the way of evidence in any of the states where they're trying to reverse the result through the courts. Let 'em sue.

The people have spoken. As one guy's sign said a couple days ago, "We grabbed him by the ballot."

 

Good then.

 

I am not afraid to let it play out. I think it will help SOME people accept the numbers. However, I believe there will be others that will say that the recounts were rigged and will do everything to denounce President-Elect Biden over the course of his Administration. It's really sad that adults cannot find a way to come together and work for the common good of all its citizens.

 

I agree with the idea of an investigation into the election. If there's massive voter fraud then yes let's catch it. Unfortunately, I don't think the ballots and the voters are both identifiable to each other. So, there's just a stack of ballots that have been tainted, but there's no way to guess which ones are/are not tainted. So, the only two choices are to accept the ballots as they are or scrap the election and start over. There's no middle ground.

 

To understand crystal clear what we are talking about here, in order to change the outcome of the election, there needs to be more than mere instances of voter fraud by individual voters, but tens of thousands of instances of voter fraud. At least 150k in Michigan, 45k in Pennsylvania, 36k in Nevada, 13k in Arizona, and 12k in Georgia. Realistically speaking, we aren't going to see that, but if Trump wants to spend his own money fighting that legal battle, let him.. however at some point between now and inauguration day, he does need to accept not only the results of the election, but accept the results of his legal battles, and if I am being completely honest with you, I do not expect him to accept either

 

Exactly, no matter what the outcome, they'll blame leftist activist judges throwing out law suits, and the DOJ and the deep state conspiring against Trump, when it is actually Trump who openly tries to use the DOJ to swing the election in his favor.

These people cannot be helped. They are too deeply invested into the RW conspiracy echo chamber. Once you go down that rabbit hole, facts stop mattering.

 

I agree with the OP. The outcome is the outcome, but it is of critical importance to verify the integrity of the election process. If voting rules in any particular cities in question were bent or broken to give an advantage to either side, then that needs to be discovered and stopped so that any attempts at cheating don't become precedent.

 

The way I see it, primary cheating on Biden’s part didn’t even involve voter fraud.
Censorship imposed by mass media and social media really does make one wonder - considering that Biden is barely winning, what would be the outcome if mass media didn’t take sides and investigated the laptop fiasco?
Biden’s legitimacy as president can be questioned due to the fact that he received so much help. No amount of recounting can fix this problem. A very large group of voters was alienated when they were called racists and were imposed to outright hostility by the left. These voters don’t have that many places to go anymore where they can just discuss their ideas without being attacked.

Im afraid the outcome of this election will be deadly to some. What happens when a large portion of population starts to believe that regardless of what they do politically, they won’t be allowed govern, and the entire establishment is rigged against them? I suspect we will see a rise of deadly mass shootings, like the ones we saw during Obama. Did you notice they stopped happening after Obama left? I suspect these things will come back. I’m also worried about what the far right will do. When you take away the ability to speak up from so many people, bad things tend to happen.

 

LOL! Yeah, the Las Vegas Shooting must have happened under Obama, the MSM just reporting it as fake news under Trump to make him look bad.

Look, without Fox News and the RW media echo chamber, there would be no Trumpism. You can't have it both ways. Oh, and wake us up when Breitbart is stopping "censorship" and starts giving liberal authors a voice. Then, you can talk.

 

There are investigations? All I've heard about are accusations without context nor proof and pretty much all the accusations have been already shot down as fantasies.

 

You are an immigrant, just like me. I don’t know how many years you lived in the US, but if you lived under Obama for all his term, you’d remember that absolute majority of recent mass shootings happened after Obama took over and they died down after Trump was elected. If you want the democracy to be respected, then everyone should have the right to an opinion and the right to openly voice it.
Silencing dissent breeds terrorism. That’s just a fact.
As for Braitbart giving space to liberal journalists - I’m glad you are placing CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and other mass media news sources on same level with Braitbart news. To me, Braitbart is primarily an opinion publication, a more or a magazine than a news source.

 

To say that 'the other side got more votes than in history' is, as a notable fact, cancelled out because our side got even more votes, more than any time in history.

So, the poignant fact is not that YOUR side, or MY side, got more votes, it is that MORE people voted, all around.

What is also important is to create a way so that frivolous lawsuits by vexatious litigants are not allowed to diminish national security, as is what is currently happening, because Biden is not allowed access, where needed intel briefs, covid briefs, are not being allowed to Biden, nor the GSA opening the doors to biden ( the letter ) and thus funding for the transition team hasn't commenced, slowing down the transition, etc etc, all because Trump has a hair up his butt, and can't handle the fact that he lost

 

Yes. That makes sense completely. However, I think one of the dyed-in-the-wool diehard fans that won't accept ANY result that Trump didn't win is Trump himself and that is going to fuel some of his supporters to not let it go.

It's exactly the same thing he did regarding the virus. Notwithstanding the disinfectant comment, withholding information in the beginning, throwing out that he was taking a drug not approved for prevention or treatment of the virus, etc. he refused to wear a mask thereby setting an example for his supporters. It may have still spread but seeing that we just 10,000,000 cases, it's doubtful it would have cost so much in terms of lives and jobs lost, economic crisis and blatant uncertainty about our futures. And, for him to try to separate his presidency from his response to the virus is a huge part of why Biden got the votes.

 

Media bias, extreme propaganda, and censorship are out of control, I would have to agree. The same media which dehumanized Trump ever day for four years could have just as easily put him on a pedestal and crowned him with a halo, and he'd have won re-election with 80% landslide. Yet, he still is getting 48% of the popular vote and will likely get 25 out of 50 states, so obviously many people see the psychological conditioning which is pervading MSM and what passes for "journalism" in general.

This is a short-run issue though, in my mind. As Twitter becomes a Gestapo left-wing haven for the Woke Far Left wing, people are flocking to Parler. A couple of video hosting channels are picking up business as YouTube decides to demonetize particular accounts. Postcasters like Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro and others are getting more views than mainstream media "news". A shift is happening. Most major media "journalists" grew up rich, went to the best and most expensive schools, and they have a rather obvious disdain, almost hatred, for the working class average ordinary Joe citizen. They are actually making themselves un-relateable to the public. Meanwhile people like Joe Rogan, who is himself a multi-millionaire, talks long-form to people and treats left, center, and right guests as respectable human beings. The lack of phony propaganda is causing a major shift in media, just like we're seeing a shifting demographics between the two parties right now. The wealthy comfortable shifted toward Biden, while Trump picked up a higher share of working-class voters who the wealthy deplore.

At the end of the day, who will outnumber who: the wealthy elites or the working- and middle-class average person? Every single one of Biden's "mandates" is going to increase the cost of living, which won't harm the financially comfortable, but it will devastate those working paycheck to paycheck, and generally aggravate people who don't want to be taxed to death. Biden's administration will certainly increase the amount of media censorship and bias over four years, but I don't see that as a long-run issue. The people are smart enough to course-correct for poor political decisions.

 

Is he? Or is he using taxpayer money? Are all of his lawyers independent, or do some work for the goverment?

 

as long as justice is served, and every frauder is penalized under the law (by either side), then who cares? we are a nation of LAWS and democrats don't get to break LAWS whenever its convenient for them

 

OMG..........

 

Like most, I have no problem at all with investigations. I truly believe that they will be fruitless, but it might provide piece of mind for those who believed Trump when he said, months before the elections, that there will be massive fraud.

 

Doesn't that apply to non-Democrats? Biased much?

I guess we all need to expect at least a few months of this kind of partisan barking over the election results.

 

Fine, but also penalise White House officials who stand up and say that their political opponents are willingly going along with mass fraud and stealing the election - without any evidence.. We really need to do something about that as well..

 

We are imploding and there is a large swath of citizens that cannot see how damaging these silly exercises will be long term. I'm waiting for the participation trophies to be disseminated.

 

I'm not sure if I've seen anyone claim that any investigations shouldn't play out. A lot of us are just enjoying the show as the Trump campaign and his allies waste a lot of time and money with mostly absurd challenges in court. As I mentioned in another thread, though, by all means I hope they drag this out as much as possible. It will help distract them from burning stuff down on their way out.

Investigate away! I somewhat disagree that it will be the "best thing for the nation," though. So many devout Trumpers are hardcore conspiracy nuts. When the investigations are over, and an insignificant bit of "fraud" has been discovered (i.e. a handful of people who voted twice, but not enough to make any kind of difference), they will continue to wail about how the election was stolen. Even some on this board won't shut up about it, ever. Having the investigations effectively come up empty will just be more proof to them that they're right.