Let's debunk one of liberals' belief — healthcare should be a fundamental right

they get that, its called wages

 

I like how people create these topic titles where they put words in people's mouths.

The author of this topic took an idea that only a small number of liberals would sign off on, but calls it a "liberal belief" implying that all liberals have signed off on it.

 

Most of this discussion is pure crap unless certain basic conditions are changed. Let's say you are 21 and have decided you can do without healthcare because you are still smack in the middle of you're "I'm immortal and it won't happen to me," stage. Then you, with out your helmet, met a street sign head on when you are thrown off your motor cycle. So, the ambulance rushes you the the hospital and you are put on life support - for the next 50 years. Current law says the hospital must accept you, current law says you can't be removed from life support, and your 50 years will be from the public trough. So, what is to be done. Now, I think that current conditions are correct, but I assume conservatives, just to be consistent, will insist on the hospital getting your non-existent insurance forms before treating you, or, if for some reason you get the initial treatment because no one is quite sure whether or not you have insurance, as soon as it is established that you opted out of personal responsibility, your state umbilical cord will be severed. Sorry about that. You can endlessly repeat this in various circumstances. No insurance? Birth your own kid. No insurance? No vaccination. Spread your whooping cough, polio, small pox, etc. through the population and drop dead yourself. And so it goes. Sure we can do without a better health care system. Go live on a desert island as far from microbes as you can get and fund your own hospital. Enjoy.

 

First of all, thank you for your service to this country and I hope you fair well. I am 100% behind tax money going to Vets. In fact I think ALL Vets should have the SAME type of coverage as our Congress.

Health care costs are inflated in large part due to government treatment charts and pay scales that don't allow doctors to facilitate or charge the market-rate for needed treatments. In some cases chart charges may be way above the market and in other cases may be well below the market. This undermines competition in the health care system.

Too low chart mandated charges can result on other patients being charged at a higher rate to make up for low government pay outs as well as a rising market rate for those chart mandated charges that are far above the going rate.

The solution is to get government OUT of a fiduciary relationship with the market and to go back to regulating safety standards. Let the market allow free competition and health care rates would level out at affordable rates according to folks' ability to pay.

 

Then private charity shall have a say on this, not the government.

The point is, how should limited resources be allocated, and who shall decide such matters. You have seemingly failed to understand the purpose of the example.

Hahaha. Do doctors provide funding for these patients too?

 

Reminds me of when Britain refused to give a 19 year old a new liver due to he was an habitual alcoholic.

 

Basically, the conservative approach is to be as short sighted as possible.

 

So you would enslave one group of people, the people who create wealth, in order to provide unearned benefits to some other group of people. How, exactly, is that humanitarian? Were American, southern slaveholders humanitarians after all? They did nothing really different than you intend?

Why do you believe you have a greater moral claim to the wealth I create than I do?

 

Liberals are foolish, shallow thinking beings who are useful idiots and not much more to the masterminds who create such abominations.

If you believe that others should have health care at your expense then by all means, sell what little you own and give it to the poor. Admit it. You do not put your money where your mouth is. Most liberals do not.

If you want something of value then learn how to do something useful, get paid for doing it and buy the thing you want. Everything else is tyranny.

 

You have access to whatever you want. All you need do is get a few marketable skills, trade your time for money and buy them.

 

You can have all the access you want. Get off your rear end, get some marketable skills, trade your time for some money and buy them.

 

Actually, it is very easy. If you want some you earn some money and you buy what you want.

What you refer to is how complicated it can be to plunder your neighbors.

 

Doesn't matter whether or not it's a right.

Scrap welfare - create single payer healthcare. America would be better off. Less welfare abuse, less people turning to food stamps because of medical bills, govt would stay out of the private healthcare industry, private healthcare costs would decrease due to people not defaulting on their bills - taxes would be lower if anything, since welfare abuse costs the country nearly trillions of dollars, etc

If it works, it works.

 

Sad story. I am sorry to hear that you are having problems. You problems are not an excuse to enslave half of the nation to work for the other half.

 

I despise people like you.

If you feel strongly that someone should have free health care then sell all that you own and give him or her the proceeds.

But you won't put your money on the line will you? Your sacrifice only goes so far. You are a liberal and you believe that your sacrifice should extend no farther than to put people into office who will enslave me for your benefit.

And that is why I despise people like you. You are all hat and no cattle.

 

Are you asking just how much coercion can the government use to make me your slave?

I am not your slave. Get over it. Earn a living. Buy the things you want. Leave me alone.

 

You have the heart of a tyrant.

 

I have the distinct impression that you are a Taker. Takers always get more than they give.

Yeah. Try being a wealth creator for a while. No? It doesn't suit your lifestyle?

 

Then you need to get a life and just suck it up, and pretending you'd actually do anything other than just pay your taxes if it was enacted.

I'd say your best bet is to suck it up. The guys with the Abrams tanks, M16s, the strike drones on their side are gonna do whatever the hell they want with your money and all you can do is cry like a btch. Under my proposal, your taxes would be lower anyway, and the private sector would be freer.

Hell, if I wanted to right now, I could just toss all my medical bills in the trash and help myself to some single-payer healthcare on your dime. What the hell would you do bro? Go tattle on me?

 

Sometimes people swerve into the truth. If the government is not constrained by a written Constitution then taxes are equal to theft. What you intend is nothing short of slavery.

 

You don't even know what slavery is, get real - this is the biggest reason Americans suck - they're too sheltered. They can't debate without extremist analogies.

Personally I think the welfare system that exists now is a hell of a lot closer to slavery, but you guys just sit by and say nothing about it - you guys are all talk, no substance.

 

great point, they throw around words like tyranny, slavery, socialist and communist without having the first clue what these words actually mean. it would be like me just posting random words in spanish.

 

Liberals do just the same, both sides really are just indoctrinated whiners - liberals being slightly worse on the whole.

 

yeah I meant americans, though american conservatives tbf