Let's put this myth to rest once and for all: The Republican Party is NOT the "pro-life" party.

In a debate about abortion in another thread, somebody claimed that the Republican Party opposes abortion because they are (quote-unquote) "pro-life".

Bullshit!

The saying "Republicans believe that the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth" has a lot of truth in it. And I'm not referring to rank and file Republicans. I don't know what every person's motivation is (and am not allowed by forum rules to discuss a poster's motives). But "right to life" most certainly is NOT the motivation of the Republican ideologues or leadership.

Somebody in the afore mentioned thread thought I was referring to the death penalty. I'm generally ok with the death penalty (though I think that there are better punishments than killing you). But I believe it should be for those who commit the gravest crimes like murder or child abuse... I do find it curious, regardless of my own position on the death penalty, that if Republicans claim to be the "right to life" Party, THEY don't oppose the death penalty.

But since SCOTUS legislated against a women's right to make decisions over her own body, there are more and more places in this country where the Republican Party has decided to sentence pregnant women to death, where they legislate that she can't have an abortion even when her health is in jeopardy. And some of those aren't even women, but child-mothers.

There are more areas in which a real "right to life" party would be expected to act differently. Such a party would be doing at least the minimum to make mass shootings more difficult. But they have opposed even small things like... raising the age limit to 21 (the age required to buy alcoholic beverages) to buy a firearm. They would also be helping MORE people get healthcare, so they don't die. But they have been opposing every effort. In fact, their ONLY alternative has been to take us back to the era of pre-existing conditions, when a baby born with a defect would be denied coverage. Which would eventually lead to the death of many of them, as their parents run out of money.

The disregard for human life is also evident when we see their opposition to the safety-net. The children of poor people would have nothing to eat, without help from the government. But that is not something they show any concern whatsoever for.

They would also be more concerned about illegal aliens whose life would be in jeopardy if returned to their country. This, of course, would not include white supremacists, given that the lives they put in danger are not what they consider "white people". But it would to most Republicans.

And there are many many similar areas in which the GOP demonstrates that "right to life" is not a concern.

Bottom line, if the Republican Party were the "pro-life" party we would see this position reflected in MANY other areas. We don't. So it's clear they're not. So why do they oppose abortion?

I'm convinced it's a matter of punishment. PUNISHING women for having sex for any reason other than to procreate. Even having sex because they were raped needs to be "punished", according to many in the GOP leadership. But regardless of their position in cases of rape and incest, forcing a women to carry a fetus to term against their will is their "punishment".

It's clear that this "pro-life" narrative is just an excuse, as they see the number of people who doesn't believe in this scam dwindle. This very partisan, very activist Supreme Court we have right now has exposed this fact for all to see. And more and more people will be understanding this in due time.

 

More of your BS.
The republicans want the immigration to be an orderly well regulated process rather than just opening up the borders to everyone.

It is not a matter of punishment. Whether than baby in the womb is there in by consent or by force, that baby in the womb is still a living being. After fifteen weeks, it begins to feel pain. I fail to understand how anyone could allow a baby to be torn from limb to limb with terrible pain.

 

In the spirit of the thread, pro choice folks fail to understand how prolifers can be so supportive of an unborn embryo yet so callous about living children the terrible pain of homelessness and hunger.

 

Democrats reflexively put kids in cages on the border. Clearly, the brutality and uncaring of democrats is a choice. Is that what you folks are going to hang your hats on? The choice to be cruel? The choice to be uncaring? Is that what irritates you folks so? that you actually are the things you accuse others of?

 

I don't think that I have EVER seen such a load, even from you. So, in your estimate, you're anger over republicans not wanting you folks/democrats to have slaves again, leads you to believe that suddenly, that isn't a pro life condition? Laughable. In fact, this is the kind of tortured opinion we've become used to you. But this? This is close to the pinnacle of your self serving distraction technique to keep folks from really seeing all yall's warts....

 

It became a heavily politicized topic as soon as Roe vs Wade was rules, and Evangelical Christians were told to think they were not good Christians unless they voiced an anti-abortion stance. Democrats decided to argue the opposite, and voice a pro-choice stance. IMO Dems would have done better for voicing no stance at all, and just leave Republicans look authoritarian, and that is especially true now that the GOP is pushing for laws to punish women for it.

By overturning it, GOP killed the goose laying the golden political eggs, because many Evangelicals were a single issue voters, and that was the issue. Now they are trying to extend it by trying to pass State level laws to criminalize it, but its seen authoritarian by many independents. We'll see how it ends up when the dust settles.

 

That is not going to be accomplished by putting the life of children at risk.

Whether that is a fact or not is debatable. But the point is that, for the Republican Party, this is an excuse, not an argument. Or they would show this concern in the other aspects I mentioned.

 

How is asking the people to choose on a policy authoritarian again?

 

"Right to life" does not mean or imply that once born that life will be problem free and the government will see to your every need, whim or difficulty.

Problably the most overused and foolish argument; To get the death penalty the individual has to have been convicted of a heinous crime. What "crime" did the fetus commit?

Totall incorrect. SCOTUS doesn't "legislate". It ruled that one of its previous decisions was incorrect and that states Constitutionally have the power to legislate on abortion.

They have.

People die no matter what the government does.

What nonsense. You trot out all the trite LW slogans and use them to "prove" as vapid conclusion. Partisan poppycock, non sequitur arguments, and a "if only Republicans swallowed the LW propaganda as I do" conclusion.

 

There are dozens of organizations, taking federal money, working on homelessness and hunger.

 

Yes there are. But over and over again - here at PF - I've read far too many posts criticizing welfare moms and begrudging the provision of healthcare for free. It seems as though they don't want anyone helped.

 

I haven't seen that, honesty. I haven't seen the term "welfare moms" in, literally, years. There are programs for medical care for the needy - ERs have to treat them, for instance.

 

The pro life in most Republican's stance literally means anti-murder and they do mean what they espouse as "pro-life." The rub comes from determining when there is human life that should not be murdered, at least without due process.. All of your contrary examples have no connection with the Republicans pro life assertions.

 

Visit any of the threads discussing the implementation of nationalized healthcare and you will see a huge number of people who resent having to pay for anyone else's healthcare.

 

No. It just means it will see to ONE need: life!

What crime did the mother commit?

Naïve statement. Of course they do! They always have. Difference is that now they not only legislate but are politically partisan. THAT is the only thing that is "new".

 

Wow! The above is one of the biggest piles of straw I've ever seen.

 

If that were true it would be obvious in MANY other areas of life that I mentioned on the OP. For example, why not do the simplest of things to decrease the number of mass shootings. Such as increasing the age to buy a firearm to 21. They had no problems increasing the drinking age...

Not the right thread to discuss abortion. My point is that the Republican leadership has been fine with states not allowing exceptions for protecting the life of the mother. Even when the mother is herself a child.

The Republican Party has demonstrated again and again that this claim that they oppose abortion because they are "pro-life" is nothing more than an excuse.

 

Oya! That will stop the lil thugglings from getting guns

Just like underage drinking and drug use is so low in the US LMFAO

 

So. You are contending that letting in anybody, no matter their background or age, is somehow safer for the children. How about those that die, drown and get molested along the way? Wouldn't be easier to care for the children, if their were not so many others in the group?

They obviously feel pain at some point. At that time they react to the mother's movement and to other stimuli. How is that debatable?

 

Well if you get to assign motives to the pro-life side I get to proclaim the pro-abortion side just wants to kill babies because they hate babies. Two can play your game.

 

I think that it is safe to say that all intelligent people understand that the term pro-life refers to an anti-abortion stance as far as legality, just as pro-choice refers to a pro-abortion stance in regards to legality.

To list a litany of situations where it can be argued that Republicans oppose "life" (such as with the death penalty), or to take the same tact and list every situation where it can be argued that Democrats oppose choice (such as with charter schools), is about as big of a waste of time as is imaginable. It serves no purpose whatsoever, other than to aimlessly bicker over nothing.

It must be a slow news day.

 

We know how to inhibit abortions. We do not know how to decrease or stop mass shootings, your knee jerk meme reaction not withstanding.

To be accurate (and truthful) you should say some Republican leadership has been fine........ Every political group or party has its extremists.

 

Easily. There are things called reflexes that happen without awareness.

Citation for feeling pain at 15 weeks? The structures to feel anything aren't there until after 20 weeks. And acrual evidence they do feel anything (brain waves for consciousness) even later.

 

..... and smoking!