Let's study the islamic scriptures and the life of Muhammed together.

Hello,

unfortunately, muslim attacks are recurent in Europe and in the whole western world.

Many people claim that Islam is a feminist religion and a peacefull religion. To learn more about the nature of Islam, the aim of Islam and so of muslims, the only solution is to read the source of inspiration of their behaviour and read their sacred texts.

If Islam is a feminist and peacefull religion, the text should not call to the murder of people.

The only nature is to read the sacred scriptures of muslims and study how Muhammed lived.

The sacred scriptures of Islam are divised in two important source :
_ The quran revealed by Muhammed who pretended to give directly the word of Allah.
_ The hadiths. Hadith mean testimony. It's testimonies about the life of Muhammed, they're a source of inspiration for muslims in the world. Some are regarded as authentic when some other are considered as doubtfull.

I will quote only from the website "Quran.com" who is made by muslims for muslims.

Let's start about :

Is Islam feminist ?
https://quran.com/2/228
Divorced women remain in waiting for three periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have more right to take them back in this [period] if they want reconciliation. And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.

https://quran.com/2/282
And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her

The quran consider women so dumb that two women are considered as worth than a man but remember that Allah is wise and all knowing.

https://quran.com/4/34
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Men can so beat their wives not only if they disobey, but if they fear they are disobedient. It seems that in Islam, the only mission of women is to obey to men.

https://quran.com/33/50
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Now we can study the hadith, the second most sacred scriptures of Islam after the Quran. This one come from the Sahih Al Bukhari, considered by most muslims as the most authentic of hadith gathering :

"[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

Sahih Muslim Book 17 Hadith 4207
https://muflihun.com/muslim/17/4207
Imran b. Husain reported that a woman from Juhaina came to Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) and she had become pregnant because of adultery. She said: Allah's Apostle, I have done something for which (prescribed punishment) must be imposed upon me, so impose that. Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) called her master and said: Treat her well, and when she delivers bring her to me. He did accordingly. Then Allah's Apostle (Peace be upon him) pronounced judgment about her and her clothes were tied around her and then he commanded and she was stoned to death. He then prayed over her (dead body). Thereupon Umar said to him: Allah's Apostle, you offer prayer for her, whereas she had committed adultery! Thereupon he said: She has made such a repentance that if it were to be divided among seventy men of Medina, it would be enough. Have you found any repentance better than this that she sacr ficed her life for Allah, the Majestic?

I would continue this thread.

 

You still don't know anything about Islam , but you seem to be fixated on hate. Why is that?

 

Dragging bits of literature out of context and without the slightest attempt at exegesis is disingenuous.

 

Don't worry, I listen to muslims savant too.

I'm a man of a fixation, of passion. I was never moderate, I rarely do things halfways, a book passion me : I won't sleep until I finished it, I love something, I would love it from all my heart, I hate something, I will hate if from all my heart, something intrigue me, I will be obsessed by that for month.

Islam upset me for something for a long time, the fact that music and representative art is so much hated in islamic tradition even if music in some muslim countries exist.

I have family and relatives in Paris, near St Etienne du Rouvray, Barcelona, Marseille. Maybe you see a patern there ? I'm crippled, and through my health problems I learned the value of having a good family.

I believed during a long time the dominant opinion in french society : terrorists are extremists, they're not related to Islam. One day, I listened a philosopher who disagreed with that opinion, he caused a scandal and was accused to be a racist, but I found that his arguments made sense.

I decided so to listen both muslims savants and mainly muslim apostates. The muslim apostates had always much better arguments. They convinced me of the evil Islam represent.

I red coranic texts, hadith, and I probably don't know anything, but the more I know, the more my hatred of Islam grow.

 

Duplicate.

 

LOLOL.. Art is very popular in the Arab world and music blares out of every Taxi, Souk and shop.. Representational art is also quite popular particularly in Iran, in other parts of the Arab world, they have beautiful tile work, gorgeous doors, caligraphy and that sort of Art. Libya used to have many artisan who worked in abstract ceramics. Then there's story telling and poetry.

I am sorry you are crippled.

 

I didn't talked about art in a general way because I know the traditionnal artistic traditions, mainly caligraphy and motives. However, muslims commit crimes who are for me unforgivable like destroying the buddha statue in Afghanistan, I don't care of its religious value, I care only for its artistic value, or ravaging museum in Syria and Iraq.
Klling artists [for a drawing] is more than a regular crime, it's a blasphemy against humanity.

By the way the taboo of representative art lighten up, and their is some good drawers in middle east, but the history of islamic culture is full of forbideness about representative art. But that's not the core of my hate, it barely justify why I disliked islamic culture, the reasons I hate them is to be found in the islamic scriptures I red and the muslim attacks.

 

A book lover? May I recommend Islam by Alfred Guillaume. And in particular the last few chapters where he warns about the coming bifurcation of Islam into the orthodox, reasonable religion and the nutter, Wahabbist and Salafist type. Sadly we in the west were only ever thinking oil so we ignored the warning.

 

Anyway salafism won by far today. I will try to find that book. For me the quran is disgusting, as the old testament, those two books are for me the embodiement of evilness.

However, I don't if Wahabbism and salafism were the only problems. There is a deep relation between quran and violence. Muslims will always find excuses, claim it were defensive, and that Islam were attacked even in the strangest conditions, they will find excuses to the behaviour of Muhammed with the banu qurayzan or say they deserved it. But what kind of holy man act like that with prisonners of war ?
The corpus of texts are basically violent, I think at the opposite that terrorism and violence in Islam couldn't be avoid because it's the nature of Islam.

 

Source this claim, please.

 

You quoted two claims. Which one ?

For the second one : https://www.theguardian.com/comment...hijab-not-oppression-feminist-statement-video

 

last one.

And the woman in the vid is correct. To assume women are oppressed by wearing a scarf... lol


^^
Look. Oppressed Christian women,... in a freaking movie! lol

 

The scarf is a symbole of islam and so Surate 4 verse 34. Probably the husband beat wives in a defensive way in Islam.

 

That verse also demands that men to take care of their wives.
You aware of that?

 

It doesn't change it allow men to beat their wives and that women have to be the slaves of their husband.
It doesn't change that women are consider so untrustfull that two women are worthy one men in a trial.

 

It doesn't say that.
"So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard."

Who are they devoutly obedient to? Have guess.

 

You do realize that Afghanistan has been in a state of war since the monarchy was overthrown in the mid 1970s.. Literacy collapsed.. Have you ever asked yourself how the Buddha survived 1400 years?

 

Their husband, because if they fear their arrogance, they can beat them because men have a degree over them.

 

Partly because it's giant and in rock. You can't demolish them easily unless you have canons and mortar.

 

Men can only beat their wives with a silk scarf tied to the end of a miswak.. a toothbrush.

 

Why it's not written in the quran ? The word of Allah ?

 

Tradition.. First you correct her, then scold her, then beat her with a miswak and then divorce her. Most of the hadiths came from Persia 200 years AFTER Muhammed.

 

I'm not speaking you of tradition, I'm speaking you of the quran. Nowhere the quran say that you shoul beat her with a miswak, and it's not what many muslim wives live.

 

blaspheme! lol
Devotion is to the lord. Cmon.

https://invitation2learn.wordpress....ades-women-is-it-true-434-encourages-beating/

“O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.“ (The Noble Quran, 4:19)

 

Because is a deity is there and is supposedly wise beyond wise why pass on your will in this way where a ,say, 25% of followers will take literally and in a more extreme way the religious morons? This is not an issue only with the Koran. However more and more Jews and Christians don't their books literally true while Islam does.