Lev Parnas to be Interviewed by Rachel Madow/MSNBC at 9 PM EST

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    More fake news.

    Trump did no such thing.

    Stop making crap up.
     
  2. Esperance

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    Again, Biden ran his mouth in front of a live camera about getting a prosecutor fired on very the day of his visit and held 1 billion dollars as a carrot to make it happen within six hours.

    Biden also claimed that Obama would back him up on the demand.

    Have you seen the tape?
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everybody gets to watch the testimony on TV if the Never-Trumpers have their way.

    But at the very same moment it will help Trump get re-elected so you can make snarly comments for another four years. I'm looking forward to it.
     
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    Trying to distract to Biden, Clinton, Obama is also quite lame and seriously shows the desperation. Usually in a debate forum and discussion people stick to the subject.
     
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    I've already commented on Parnas. Meanwhile, the testimony issue is intriguing. Nadler already implied that the Senate is on trial as well...

    His information raises more questions about what the Dems are trying to hide than revealing anything new about Trump or Giuliani.
    There is way more under the carpet than a simple conflict of interest involving Hunter Biden.

    Maddow is counting on a revelation, but I would have thought that it would have come during the first segment.
    But CNN is so desperate for viewers that she probably wanted to create a reason for them to want to come back.
     
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    I am curious, what is it the Dems are hiding? Please provide verified data rather than talking points.
     
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    I hope you guys know by now that with all the BS and hoaxes and instance of boy who cried wolf, there is no more hope to get Trump!
    At this point, you could have a surveillance video of trump beating up the ukraine president while shouting "no aid until you investigate biden" and we STILL wouldn't believe you due to all the previous lies.
    Trump played the democrats like a PRO and have made them look so rediculous that even their base doesn't really respect them anymore. Trump has systematically destroyed the left communist party.
    Thank you Lord for blessing us with Donald J Trump.
     
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  8. JCS

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    Hardly. It was a conspiracy between American AND Ukrainian players. So naturally we'd want to hear from those Americans involved in it...like Giuliani, Barr, Bolton, Pense, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Nunes, Parnas, Fruman, et. al.

    It was Trump's claim that Yovanovitch was badmouthing him to embassy colleagues, that she wouldn't hang his picture in the embassy, that she openly resisted him, and that she wouldn't follow his orders. Parnas said he never believed the claims, and even apologized for the way he treated Yovanovitch...and said that the campaign to discredit & fire her were built on falsehoods.

    Which specific call are you referring to? Parnas & Fruman attempted to fly to Vienna in October 2019 with one-way tickets, but were arrested at Dulles Airport. Giuliani was planning to fly to Vienna around 24 hours after his business associates were arrested...probably to meet them in Vienna.

    Re. Burisma investigations, not a single figure was indicted by Shokin on corruption charges during his entire 14-month tenure.

    Vitaliy Kasko, a former deputy prosecutor general who had worked under Shokin and resigned in frustration at his stymying of corruption investigations, told Bloomberg News (in a May 2019 interview) that the office’s probe into Burisma Holdings had been long dormant by the time Joe Biden issued his ultimatum in 2016. “There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against” Burisma owner Zlochevskiy, Bloomberg quoted Kasko as saying. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015,” Kasko said.

    “Shokin was not investigating. He didn’t want to investigate Burisma,” Daria Kaleniuk a leading Ukrainian anti-corruption advocate, told the Washington Post. “And Shokin was fired not because he wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary, because he failed that investigation.”

    https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

    What's your point? Parnas conferred with Zelensky's senior aid, and said he made it clear he was there “on behalf of Rudy Giuliani and the president of the United States.”

    Parnas did serve as a translator for Firtash's legal case, and was retained by pro-Trump attorneys, DiGenova & Toensing, as an interpreter with Firtash.

    But Parnas was also good friends with Trump & Guiliani:

    Parnas recently told Anderson Cooper that he was very good friends with Trump. He said he went from being a top donor to Trump (he practically worshipped Trump), to going to all the events & socializing with Trump, to becoming a close friend to Giuliani, to eventually becoming an "underground" ally & asset to Guiliani in the Ukraine.
    youtube.com/watch?v=jKM4T0XGtEk

    In 2018 Parnas shared a letter he received from Trump that reads, "To Lev Parnas, Thank you for your friendship and dedication to our cause. Leaders like you in Florida are key to fulfilling our bold agenda to Make America Great Again!” The letter shows a pic of Trump & Melania kissing, and was also signed by them.
    https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/lev-parnas-private-instagram-trump-ties/

    Yet Trump denied knowing Parnas, saying...“I don’t know them. I don’t know about them. I don’t know what they do." Yet there are numerous photos of Parnas with Trump at both small & larger social gatherings. Parnas said if Trump keeps denying they know one another, he'll simply show more photos.

    In 2018, Parnas and Fruman hired Giuliani, the president's personal attorney, to serve as a consultant as the two, according to Giulani, were "ramping up" a security business with the felicitous name "Fraud Guarantee". (Parnas had chosen the name "Fraud Guarantee" in 2013 to clean up his Google search results after accusations of fraud in previous ventures.) Confusingly, Florida authorities had apparently dissolved Fraud Guarantee in September 2014 for failing to file an annual report, which would have limited the company to activities related to closing itself down. Late in 2018, Giuliani allegedly sent the two to Ukraine to search for damaging information on Trump's U.S. political rivals.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Parnas_and_Igor_Fruman

    Because (1) the Ukrainian govt. made it clear there wouldn't be an investigation (which is why the White House, in retaliation, canceled Pence's attendance of Zelensky's inauguration, and (2) aid was released only following the announcement of the whistleblower's complaint to Congress.

    What DOJ investigation? The Mueller investigation? This has nothing to do with Biden or Burisma.

    According to Parnas, Barr "absolutely knew" of the effort to pressure Ukraine to announce an investigation. "Mr. Barr had to have known everything. Victoria, Joe, they were all best friends. Attorney General Barr was basically on the team."

    Parnas never spoke with Barr, but said he was privy to conversations between Barr, Giuliani, and diGenova. Barr's role was to get the Trump administration to drop the case & extradition to the U.S. that Firtash was fighting while in house arrest in Vienna in return for Firtash supplying dirt on Biden. In other words, Barr was part of the criminal conspiracy to discredit Biden & Mueller's investigation...the very conspiracy Bolton called a "drug deal" that he didn't want to be a part of.

    Key points to keep in mind:

    (1) Parnas said they wanted Firtash to pressure Ukraine into announcing an investigation into the Bidens. Parnas told Maddow he was "involved" in conversations Giuliani and diGenova had with Attorney General William Barr, and Barr "absolutely" knew of the effort to get Ukraine to announce the investigation. "Mr. Barr had to have known everything," he said. "Victoria, Joe, they were all best friends. Attorney General Barr was basically on the team."
    https://theweek.com/speedreads/889820/lev-parnas-says-attorney-general-william-barr-basically-team

    (2) Dmytro Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch close to the Kremlin, offered Parnas unproven dirt that would "blow up" the former special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation in exchange for the Justice Department dropping its fraud and bribery charges against Firtash.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/lev...om-giuliani-associates-msnbc-interview-2020-1

    (3) The same set of notes, a few pages later, mention “Joe/Victoria” and “Lenny Davis” on either side of a T-chart. “Get rid of Lenny Davis (nicely),” Parnas wrote. Last July, Firtash replaced Lanny Davis, a criminal defense lawyer and crisis manager who was representing him, with Victoria Toensing and Joe diGenova, a husband-wife legal team with close ties to the Trump White House and Giuliani. Parnas’ scribblings indicate that Davis’ replacement may have been engineered by Parnas and Giuliani as part of a broader effort to advance Trump’s political interests in Ukraine. And it supports a claim by Parnas’ lawyer, Joseph Bondy, that Toensing and diGenova, through Parnas, suggested to Firtash that they could leverage their ties to Trump and Giuliani to help resolve the oligarch’s “extradition problems” if Firtash hired them and helped them find dirt on the Bidens. Firtash told the New York Times that he hired Toensing and diGenova to obtain a meeting with Attorney General William Barr. They achieved that in August, though they have not succeeded in getting the extradition effort dropped. Davis on Tuesday told Mother Jones that while representing Firtash, “I drew a red line over anything approaching politics.” He added that he is “sad for Mr. Firtash about this situation.”
    https://www.motherjones.com/politic...an-oligarch-with-trumps-push-for-biden-probe/

    Did you watch the interview with earplugs? The WHOLE interview was a bombshell. It not only confirmed all that we already know, and implicated ALL the suspected players (and more), but also tied it all together perfectly. Parnas was specific, articulate, named names without hesitation, and recalled & provided excellent details. But he also added some interesting wrinkles and additional details we weren't aware of. But there's more. Here's a recent interview between Parnas and Anderson Cooper:

     
  9. JCS

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    Not true.

    Shokin was removed about 3 months after Biden addressed the Ukrainian govt. when its parliament finally voted him out.
     
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    You confirmed what I said.

    If he lies, he'd risk being accused of perjury...and getting an even heavier sentence. So telling the truth is in his best interest.
     
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    Excellent point.
     
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    Funny how this is the ONLY thing the FOX-Trump team can cherry pick out of desperation for even a tiny crumb to chew on.

    The truth of the matter is left to be revealed once the Ukraine authorities complete an investigation on this matter. But the very fact that Parnas would express an opinion that he personally rejected Hyde's (a drunk) claim about a surveillance of Yovanovitch is proof that he didn't set out to bury Trump, but to tell the truth...and which gives his entire testimony even more credibility.
     
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    What's even more funny is that CNN interviewed the foreign minister Parnes said he was working the deal with and the foreign minister said he's NEVER TALKED TO Parnas and wouldn't trust a word he's saying. Let's see, he didn't meet Nunes in Viania like he claimed, now claiming he worked with the Ukraine foreign minister on the quid pro qou and it gets debunked the same night by a liberal media group. To top it off you have old bat and pencil neck saying it's not their job to see if he's credible. A bunch of political hacks
    .https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/1...arnas-i-dont-trust-any-word-he-is-now-saying/
     
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    Parnas never claimed Yovanovitch badmouthed Trump. That's Trump's claim.

    The following article appeared just yesterday:

     
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    You mean like Trump and Nunes' claim that they didn't know Parnas personally?

    In the article, White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham 'dismissed' Parnas as well...but of course she would. She works for the White House on behalf of Trump. Plus, she wouldn't know the truth of the matter anyway. It's her opinion.

    She said...“The facts haven’t changed — the president did nothing wrong and this impeachment, which was manufactured and carried out by the Democrats has been a sham from the start.”

    Certainly an 'un-biased' source!
     
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    Prystaiko said he’s tired of questions about Ukraine’s role in the events surrounding Trump’s impeachment, saying the country enjoys bipartisan support and wants to keep it that way. He also dismissed reports that Ukrainian officials were part of so-called backchannels opened by Giuliani to negotiate the alleged quid pro quo.
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/ukraine-foreign-minister-i-dont-trust-lev-parnas_3206761.html

    Sounds like someone who might be trying to save their job & their hyde. I can understand that no one would ever want to be linked to someone like Parnas if they wished to preserve a reputation & credibility of good-standing. Yet, I don't see why Parnas would bring up Prystaiko's name, a relative unknown in this scandal, unless it were relevant Plus, the 'back-channeld' opened by Giuliani have been corroborated by multiple witnesses...yet Prystaiko denies it existed. So that brings Prystaiko's claim regarding Parnas into question too.

    But we'll see. I won't judge until we know more.
     
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    After Biden got a commitment that would happen.
     
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    Shokin was told to shut down the investigation of Burisma that very day. Biden got what he was there to accomplish.
     
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    Lev Parnas to be Interviewed by Rachel Madow/MSNBC at 9 PM EST Followed by a Encore Performance of the Jussie Smollett Interview
     
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    Hunter Biden was placed into the position at the same time Putin was starting his pipeline into the Crimea.
    Burisma was involved with paying off the debt for energy that had accummulated. Much of it was owed to Russia.
    While Russia had been sanctioned, Burisma was still able to buy the pipeline equipment that Russia needed from Koch-Glitsch. Koch-Glitsch Italia was the conduit. (Obama and Rienzi turned a blind eye)
    Much of the US aid was earmarked to help Ukraine pay off its energy debt.

    Burisma short sells the equipment to Russia, and the balance goes into the pockets of guess who and guess who? (AKA the Latvia to Cyprus money flow.)
    Hint: Hunter Biden was actually one of the smaller players. Kerry's son was also involved.

    Putin now controls the Black Sea gas reserves and has a pipeline track going into the Crimea which cuts the South Stream route straight into Bulgaria without having to go through the Ukraine.
    Putin also saves plenty of money by tracking it through shallower water and by using a more direct route.
     
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    I see....so a conspiracy theory of even loose standards by conspiracy theory standards that has nothing to do with the DNC.

    Neato......
     
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    Isn't it a little convenient that Parnas is singing now, when he is going down himself? Smells the same as the Cohen trial, he is desperately trying to reduce his impending lengthy sentence by lying for the Democrats.
     
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    Here comes another Michael Avenatti.
     
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    You just shot your own argument in the ass. It's fun to watch. It goes like this. A bit of cherry picked information is leaked or published and the left goes, AHA, we got Trump NOW!!!!! Three to four days later it turns out to be a nothing burger but the left clings on to it like it's the final nail in the coffin that removes the president from office. What ever happened to the Mueller investigation? It had more negative consequences on the DOJ and the FBI than it did Trump, the main focus of their investigation. The left just can't wait to see what the information is actually about before they pounce all over it. How's the dossier and the pee pee tapes treating you? That whole debacle/hoax, desensitized the public to any investigation that the left does at this point. You just shot your own argument in the ass by admitting that they don't know anything about what the "Parnas" situation might mean and yet the left just goes nuts with it. It's fun to watch.
     
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    Dems have no power to help his sentence. Surely you dont think the trump DOJ would reward him for lying, if that’s in fact what he’s doing.
     

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