LGBTQ and the Bible

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    You just CONCEDED that your "infallible word of god" was CHANGED TWICE now!

    The FIRST time by the "Man of the Lie" AKA Saul/Paul and then AGAIN in 1946.

    Sad!

    Your fellow Christians come to this forum to ATTACK atheists on a regular basis but you FAILED to mention that UNDENIABLE FACT.
     
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    CONSENT why do fundamentalists struggle with this concept, a child cannot give consent and neither can a dog! Until fairly recently it was perfectly permissible for a man to rape his wife because the revolting religion you follow made a wife her husbands property! Thankfully most countries have risen above the morals of goat herders and their gods!
     
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    How bigoted.

    /Sarcasm off

    The movement to normalize pedophilia has always been a subset of the gay agenda, see CA now allowing judges discretion in such cases. Some minors are more mature than many adults, who are you to deny them a loving relationship? See how that works?

    You're thinking of Islam, the Bible says men should love their wives as they love themselves.

    Atheists don't even have those morals, a dead universe doesn't care.
     
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    What are you talking about? That 1946 baloney was debunked, it's your garbage, not mine. God did establish a New Covenant, nowhere has the Bible changed.
     
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    The revolting practice of pedophillia is alive and well in your country.
    Between 2000 and 2015, over 200,000 minors were legally married in the United States,[10] or roughly six children per thousand.[11] The vast majority of child marriages in the U.S. were between a minor girl and an adult man.[10][12][13] Most minors married were girls.[10] In many cases, minors in the U.S. may be married when they are under the age of sexual consent, sixteen to eighteen for most states.[14] In some states minors cannot legally divorce, leave their spouse, or enter a shelter to escape abuse.[15][16]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States
    Not one of those 200,00 marriges was between two men, so who lives the pedo lifestyle?
    Islam is no better but you are bearing false witness about your bible,
    "In pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Exodus 20:17

    "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's." Numbers 5:12-28

    "If there is a young woman, a virgin already engaged to be married, and a man meets her in the town and lies with her, you shall...stone them to death, the young woman because she did not cry for help...and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife." [If the woman is not engaged] "the man who lay with her shall give 50 shekels of silver to the young woman's father, and she shall become his wife." Ephesians 5:22-23

    "Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35



    Thanks for accepting fundamentalist morals are those of ancient goat herders. However you are wrong about atheists.
     
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    Explained here: https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/ot_and_rape.htm

    That isn't a rape, it refers to a man who seduces a woman, he will be made to marry her with no possibility of divorce, and pay the equivalent of a year's wages. Much different than today's system where men use women like kleenex with no consequences. It made an honest man of of the offender. Remember in that society a woman who was not a virgin had two options, starving to death as she was not marriagible, or prostiution.


    If we were members of the OT theocracy of Israel you might have a point. I do believe the husband is head of the house, in a servant sense.

    1 Peter 3:7: "In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God's gift of new life. Treat her as you should so your prayers will not be hindered."

    Never said that, lying doesn't help your cause.

    How? Take God out of the picture and all you have is personal preference.
     
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    Morality doesn't come from god.
     
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    As I said, a dead universe doesn't care, it's survival of the strongest, right? Is morality whatever 51% of the people think it is?
     
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    Why does god give morality only to people who believe he exists?
     
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    I notice you dropped the gay agenda lie, probably because it was a bit to close to home, realising most of those 200,000 minors were being married off to lecherous old christian pedos! Or perhaps its because you do not want us looking at Jesus himself to closely, an unmarried jew wandering around with twelve other men, one of who he loved, and caught with naked a young man running out of a garden!
    John 13:23, 19:26, 21:7–20
    "A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they [the Temple guards] seized him, he fled naked, leaving his garment behind." (Mark 14:51–52).

    Again you admit that the morals of the bible are those of ancient goat herders and not a god, fundamentalist justify a rape because they see a woman as property!

    Good luck with that, you will need to find a woman with the same goat herder morals you follow to be head of your household. The rest of the world want consent from women not obedience, but you clearly have an issue with a woman giving consent.

    You never rebutted my argument, still have not, you just keep pointing to atheists and screaming "what about them".
    And you talk about the societal norms of the goat herder society you take your morals from, why would a god care about societal norms?

    Yes it is my personal preference to seek consent from my sexual partners, that means they have to be of the age of consent and not an animal, strange that you need a god to tell you that, I just need a bit of logic and reasoning like the rest of the educated world. Raping a woman is wrong because it hurts, humiliates and degrades her, I do not care if 51% of the world think it or not, I know its wrong, pity you do not understand that.
     
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    Complete and utter bovine EXCREMENT that you are utterly INCAPABLE of substantiating with anything remotely credible.
     
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    I cannot believe child marriage is allowed in the states, what the hell is going on?
     
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    There is a large segment of the population that embraces FUNDAMENTALIST evangelical beliefs about the bible being LITERAL as apposed to metaphorical.

    There are enough of them to have gained political power and they use that to push their own NEFARIOUS agenda that INCLUDES defunding Public Schools and DISPARAGING education in general at all levels.

    In essence they see education as the enemy that prevents them from engaging in their beliefs that are no longer acceptable in civilized societies.
     
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    Banning child marriage in America: An uphill fight against evangelical pressure

    Child marriage is a real problem in the United States, one that isn’t talked about much. Like human trafficking, we assume that child marriage is something that happens in other countries, countries with antiquated world views and gender norms. But it happens here all the time – at least 9,247 minors were married in the United States in the year 2010 alone.
    https://www.salon.com/2018/03/11/ba...an-uphill-fight-against-evangelical-pressure/
     
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    From your article,

    This link between evangelical Christianity and child marriage actually has been explored recently in the wake of stories of failed Senate candidate Roy Moore’s proclivities. Evangelical communities still push for child marriages between girls in their “middle teens” and men in the mid-twenties or older. According to these groups, younger girls make better spouses because they are blank slates and can be more easily “molded” to serve their future husbands better. What is even more troubling in these communities is that the predominant narrative is that it is the young girl who is pursuing the older man, which means that the pregnant 15-year-old is the one who “sinned” by overcoming the resistance of the adult man who had sex with her.

    Just disgusting.
     
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    You need to remember that for the majority of human history, human breeding in the teens was common. It makes sense in the context of most people never making it to the age of 30. Our morals changed because the vast majority of people can live past their 30s now. Those old morals are still present though in stone age tribes in the Amazon forest.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanomami_women

    Humans were designed to live like the Yannomami. Humans were not designed to live in front of a computer screen 100 hours a week. It is weird that we are wiping out the last of these indigenous tribes (whose people are generally the happiest on earth) so that humans who live much unhappier lives can take their place. Nobody is going to stop it. When civilization collapses, if there are remaining humans they will revert back to tribal ways and morals.

    My aunt and uncle were 15 when they got married. The marriage last 65 years until her death. She was hard-working farm girl, a hell of a cook, relentless cheerful, wonderful conversationalist and all around great person. She lived in a remote part of Nebraska and hundreds of people were at her funeral. The problem is that we are raising people who at the age of 30 lack the emotional maturity of 15 year olds a hundred years ago. Teen marriages seem like a pretty bad idea for gen Z.
     
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    And Evangelicals who still believe in Stone Age superstitions right here in America.
     
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    You mean the move to normalise pedophilia has been a subset of evangelicals as has been shown in posts above.
     
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    Because the rest are too stubborn and blinded by their rebellion?
     
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    Kneejerk DENIALISM on your part does not alter FACTUAL REALITY!

    You were provided with DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of your bible being CHANGED in 1946.

    Denial on your part does not make that FACTUAL EVIDENCE disappear.
     
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    What are you babbling about?

    You're switching to marriage questions, gays engage in pedophilia waay out of proportion to their numbers. Do you agree with the CA move to give judges discretion in the cases of gay sex with minors? https://nbcpalmsprings.com/2020/09/...al-under-sb-145-judges-given-more-discretion/

    Wow, is that supposed to prove something? Is it your assumption anyone not married with same sex friends is a homo?

    No I don't, and it wasn't rape. Did you even read the link I posted?

    More incoherent babbling.

    Dodge noted.

    We have people today in the USA who have goat herds, so what?

    Jeffrey Epstein had a different opinion, he said all that is just a societal construct. Really atheists only are parasites on the Judeo/Christian worldview they arose from.

    Nobody is justifying rape, not even the Bible passage you take out of context. The Islamic world doesn't think rape of an 'infidel' is wrong, they consider women truly as property, hence 'honor' killings, female genital mutilation, etc. Christianity raised the status of women in the ancient world, so much so that it was derided as a religion of women by the Romans.
     
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    Pot, meet kettle.

    Your theory has already been debunked. Now what?
     
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    That is a blatant FALSEHOOD that you CANNOT substantiate with anything remotely credible!
     
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