Life is automatic.

Discussion in 'Science' started by tecoyah, Oct 24, 2018.

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Is life automatic?

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  3. Maybe

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  4. ...other...I'll explain

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  1. Mamasaid

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    That sounds like you would have to perform scientific analysis on every idea first, and then sort out the failed attempts after a million years or so.

    So, until then...let's proceed...

    We have a small head start on that already. ;)
     
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    I don't want to enforce anything for starters. Not sure why you went there, others perhaps? Science is amazing. This thread was reaching for the "why" and I just injected my thoughts. To me if I were to believe that a god made it happen then there is no reason for me to "stress" over the why question. The "how" is what science does.
     
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    These are isolated specimens from isolated populations
    and too often little more than phrenology.
    Consider:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmanisi_skull_5

    Had those skulls not been found sharing the same moment of time,
    they no doubt would have been declared 2, if not 3, 4 or 5 species
    because of their variation from one another.

    Nothing popped up.
    Continuity Through Continuous Hybridization.
    Denisovans were hybrids of at least Neanderthal, modern, archaic I believe is H. erectus.
    Those that couldn't hybridize disappeared, except for the Yeti ;)


    Moi :oldman:
    Won decades of argument with an anthropologist
    about Neanderthal in our genome :woot:





    :flagcanada: Proof
    Atavisms Happen
     
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    I was definitely not accusing you of it. I was imagining a possible scenario where there would be any quarrel.

    Really? It doesn't seem clear to me at all that believing gods made everything explains WHY I am here or WHY they did it. How do you fill this gap? You have to make quite a leap, there. Seems stressful.
     
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    Ugh! I am regretting my involvement here. This thread became quite complicated with unexplained science, theories and thoughts. I interjected that maybe it was as easy a god made it happen. Who knows WHY? I don't. My post was merely to say maybe don't make it so complicated and just live your life!
     
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    Hey, I get it!

    Leave it to the atheist to kill all the fun, right? ;)
     
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    Well, you're on a science board and you're proposing "God did it" as an answer concerning how this universe works.

    You suggest, "Or a simple answer is we were created by God. I don't know but it really is simpler."

    I accept that is a fully valid religious response.

    But, on a science board the question has to do with an evidence based exploration of how this universe works.
     
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    I am no atheist and I don't go to church at all. I live my life. What a life it has been! I have stories.
     
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    Your point is noted, I am sort of new to this forum but no excuse. I respond off the "latest" threads. I will make the effort to understand where I am posting.
     
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    However, your quotes of me are inaccurate.
     
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    Sure. Science always progresses through performing analysis on every idea. We don't wait for a million years, though.
     
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    True! Now we wait for government dollars and get the results they want.
     
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    Ooops on me - I don't want you to leave this thread alone.

    Quite to the contrary.

    I think one of the few things this thread could ever hope to accomplish is an understanding of the processes and limitations of science.

    My own view is that religion and science CAN coexist. But, it does take a little work to identify which of the two methodologies is the best approach to any particular question.

    I know my responses haven't been open enough to allow that to happen easily. Sorry -
     
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    to find out what things science cannot learn, and be satisified? maybe a billion is more accurate. That's what I meant.
     
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    No, it doesn't work like that.

    Results of science are continuously reviewed and tested by experts here, by others who duplicate their work, and by the world scientific community.

    It's designed in a way that makes it incredibly difficult to perpetrate a fraud that could have lasting impact.

    Unlike with religion, there are robust methods for identifying and pruning the dead wood from the tree of knowledge.

    I don't mean that as a criticism of religion. Religion has different rules. Religion doesn't have methods for eliminating the branches that aren't "true" - after all, who's to say? Instead, we have numerous religions, divided into numerous denominations.
     
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    OK, are you pointing to ideas that we can't test - like, what came "before" the big bang?

    It's definitely true that there are questions that science can't answer at present.
     
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    "At present"

    Which ends...when?

    I think you get my point.
     
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    I'm not so sure. Science continues to find ways to answer specific questions. Sometimes it takes a lot of work - like building particle colliders or space telescopes.

    Some questions may be answered this year. Others may take a century.

    Until then, the best answer will probably look like "we don't know, but here are some ideas we're working on."
     
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    for me , it's not about 'winning' an argument, rather to gain intel and expand the open mind...

    i won't purport that i've researched the evolution of human kind, i haven't, however i've read or heard from various sources & through casual conversation, since childhood, that there are, what i'll call 'gaps' maybe missing links is a better word, where one 'version' died off then no 'hybrids' for quite sometime, then a new 'version' emerges that seemingly has no connection to those of the past...

    if this is due to epigenomics, as you've alluded, was it a natural/automatic event that triggered the string(s) to turn on or off, or was there an outside influence beyond the scope of modern science, whether that be some god or et, is of no concern of my query... a simple yes it was a automatic/natural event or a simple there's no proof as of yet so anythings possible at this juncture, will suffice for now...

    excuse the 'run on' sentences if there are any...
     
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    Yes, it challenges my dyslexia.
    I hope you can give me the synopsis
    of what you mean to express.

    Epigenetics is pretty new.
    Please read some and don't challenge me with less than "Dick and Jane" awareness.

    And as for the phrenology involved with defining ancient Humanoids
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmanisi_skull_5
    please, PLEASE review the link regarding the skulls found representing
    one moment of time yet with such diversity including rain size.

    Thank YOU.
    or Not.
     
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    Exactly. At what point do we give up? Never.
     
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    workin on it... don't harp on that graph, as i stated it was posted in haste just to get the ball rollin...

    to be continued...

    btw, hasn't been any challenge... just sought your opinion...
     
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    Fascinating.

    Like if all the big cats just kind of mixed and gone extinst provided one mutt species remaining. And maybe that did happen, millions of years ago, but then the mutt split into populations.
     
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    Continuity Through Continuous Hybridization

    Those Dmanisi folks must have (involuntarily) found bigger brains better brains.

    Maybe I am too easily impressed but those various skulls in Dmanisi
    tell an important story.
    That if the skulls were found individually, even in the same time zone,
    they would not be regarded as the same species!
     
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    Well, the taxonomy, ultimately,does not change their properties. But you raise a good point , maybe. Maybe they are different species and/or mutts of different 'species'. If the hybridization is as widespread as we think it might be, that is. So it muddie sour very definition of "species".
     
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