Lincoln an American Tyrant

“Dictatorship played a decisive role in the north's successful effort to maintain the union by force of arms... one man was the government of the united states...Lincoln was a great dictator... this great constitutional dictator was self appointed”
-Historian Clinton Rossiter, Constitutional Dictatorship

“If I wanted to paint a despot, a man perfectly regardless of every constitutional right of the people I would paint the hideous form of Abraham Lincoln.”
-Saulsbury of Delaware in the senate quoted in David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered

President Lincoln did not lead the country from within the confines of presidential power within the constitution. Lincoln disregarded the constitution and ruled America rather than led America. Lincoln did not really have a presidency, he violated separation of powers and made himself a dictator. He is called by various historians “an uncompromising dictator." “a dictator from the standpoint of American Constitutional law and practice” others referring to his presidency as the “Lincoln dictatorship” others to his administration as a “Temporary dictatorship” James Ford Rhodes a defender of Lincoln called him a dictator. A song titled “Abe the dictator” was used by northern democrats during the 1864 election.

“Without Congressional appropriation or approval, he entrusted 2 million dollars of government funds to his private agents in New York in order to pay for “military and navel measures necessary for the defense and support of the government.... he authorized the arbitrary arrest of suspected secessionist and other enemies of the government.... civil rights throughout the north were drastically curbed. Both secretary of state William H Seward, who was in charge of the arbitrary arrests made during 1861, and secretary of war Edwin M Stanton... exerted power “almost as free from restraint as a dictator or a sultan” It required but a line from the president to close down a censorious newspaper, to banish a democratic politician, or to quell suspected members of state legislature. To an even greater extent Lincoln asserted his presidential powers over rebellious south his emancipation proclamation was performed without authorization from congress....Lincolns 1863 proclamation of amnesty and pardon marked another major expansion of presidential powers. Without the approval of congress he provisional courts in conquered southern states and gave them “ the unlimited power of determining every question that could be the subject of judicial decision.... in naming military governors for the states of LA, ARK, and Tenn, the president, again without congressional authorization, created offices unknown to the American Constitution. Military governors were not obliged to observe normal constitutional procedures”
-David Donald Lincoln reconsidered Vintage Books NY


Maryland

“Lincoln told the general to take any steps required including the suspension of the writ of habeaus corpus and, “if necessary...the bombardment of their [Maryland] cities.”
-David Donald Lincoln reconsidered

Maryland was under complete military control. Lincoln would not allow Maryland to even discuss the question of succession. Lincoln suspended writ of Hadus Corpus arresting and imprisoned without due process legislators, mayors, newspaper editors, citizens and publishers to prevent a vote on succession in Maryland. Even the grandson of Francis Scott Key [Star spangled Banner author] was thrown into prison at Fort McHenry. When this was declared unconstitutional [only congress can suspend writ of Hadus corpus] by Chief Justice Taney, Lincoln issued an arrest warrant for Taney and Lincoln ignored the ruling. General Banks was sent to search house by house for pro peace or succession legislators. General Butler said he would bombard Annapolis if they met to discuss succession. They used color coded ballots so pro peace votes in Maryland could be spotted and arrested. He shut down and imprison newspaper editors and newspapers in the state.


The North, Home of the Free and Brave?

“This amazing disregard for the...constitution was considered by no one legal”
-Historian Clinton Rossiter

Throughout the north Lincoln imprisoned 13,000 political enemies, intimidated anyone who spoke out against Lincolns policies and did a great harm to freedom of speech. He Jailed anyone suspected of confederate loyalty with no trial. The jails were used to

“Establish the fact that the federal government was the greatest power in the nation”
-Dean Sprague Freedom Under Lincoln

Lincoln confiscated private property and firearms from civilians in border states violating the second amendment, deported Ohio congressmen Clement L. Vallandigham for speaking out against him.

“Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime to damage morale should be arrested, exiled, or hanged”
-Abraham Lincoln

He introduced the first military draft. Ministers were arrested for not saying a prayer for the president in church service as required by the Lincoln administration. He invaded southern states without congress consent, and blockaded ports without declaring war. In 1863 the Lincoln administration passed the “Idenmity act” this put Lincoln, his cabinet, and the military above the law. It never got enough votes to pass so it was simply declared law.

Free Elections and Freedom of the press?

"You will take position by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York world and journal of commerce...and prohibit any further publication thereof...you are therefore commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison...the editors, proprietors and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers"
-Lincoln to General John Dix may 18 1864

Lincoln participated in rigging northern elections, not just in Maryland. In the 1864 elections New York used colored ballets [red and blue] so federal soldiers could harass and prevent democratic voters in the state “Under the protection of Federal bayonets, New York went Republican by seven thousand votes.” He also unconstitutionally Created west Virginia for the 64 election. Lincoln censored the telegraphs, shut down hundreds of newspapers and imprisoned editors who were critical of his policies or the war to control how people viewed the war and his policies.

Lincolns Enemies the South and the Native Americans

“Lincoln was an even worse tyrant than George the third was”
-Thomas Dilorenzo The Real Lincoln

It was Lincolns opinion that the south had no legal right to succeed and he refused to recognize the south as a separate country, therefore they were still citizens of the united states. The north fought a war that would not allow the south to leave, yet denied them voting rights and representation after the war, breaking the union, the very thing they said they wished to save. Lincoln also gutted the 9/10 amendments.

During the war in the south Lincoln violated the Geneva conventions rules for war. Had entire towns destroyed, civilians murdered, animals killed, food taken, houses Burt down, waged war against non combatants civilians, confiscated private property, had hundreds of priests and minsters imprisoned for not saying prayers for Abraham Lincoln in occupied southern territory, hundreds of churches were burned. He denied occupied south the right to vote “government by the people” and medicines were withheld by union blockade. He Forced out southern newspapers and implemented northern newspapers to control free speech.

Lincoln viewed native Americans as savages and put General John Pope in charge of a war with native Americans who said “It is my purpose to utterly exterminate the Sioux... they are to be treated as maniacs or wild beats, and by no means as people with whom treaties or contracts can be made.” Dec 26 1862 Lincoln ordered the largest mass exsectuion in American history 39 native Americans.


The Great Centralizer

“Lincoln...undermined the constitutional safeguards of freedom as he opened the way to centralized government with all its political evils”
-Edmund Wilson

“A great centralizing force has been set in motion”
-Leonard Curry

Some especially today, will view the following as “good” and a reason to love Lincoln, others such as myself strongly disagree. Lincoln is known by various historians as the “Great Centralizer” and Others call him the founding father of big government. Some see Lincoln along with Lenin as joining the impulse to centralize government in the mid 1800's. The communist party USA use to hold “Lincoln- Lenin day” in celebration of the two great centralizers.

Lincoln was of the the Clay American System consisted of mercantilism, protectionism, the centralization of governmental power, and inflationism. His opponent Stephen Douglas said of Lincolns political goals as wanting to impose “On the nation a uniformity of local laws and institutions and a moral homogeneity dictated by a central government.” That election was said by historians to be a contest between “One consolidated empire and “confederacy of sovereign and equal states of Jefferson and Jackson”, “Lincoln goes for consolidation and uniformity in our government,” Douglas charged, “while I go for maintaining the confederation of the sovereign states.” Lincoln sought to consolidate power in the central federal government.

“My politics are short and sweet...I am in favor of a national bank...in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff”
-Abraham Lincoln 1832

Lincoln transformed americas original union under the founders, into a centralized nation or empire of the European mold.

From Confederation to Consolidation the Political Effects of the Civil war
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...e-political-effects-of-the-civil-war.8093078/


Taxation

“Furry of new laws, regulations, and bureaucracies created by president Lincoln and the republican party”
-Thomas J Dilorenzo

Before Lincoln was elected the average citizen only had contact with the federal government for mail. But after Lincoln “every citizen now had direct contact with, and felt the direct influence of, the federal government. A great centralizing force had been set into motion. . . . The needs of the government had resulted in a drastic redrawing of the federal tax base.” He created an early version of the IRS with 7,000 federal employees, ran up 2.5 billion in debt, instituted the first income tax, imposed “sin taxes” on alcohol and tobacco “Taxes on everything imaginable” From perfume, playing cards to bowling to going to the theater. Taxes were so high that “Never again would it be contracted to its prewar scope.” And with Lincoln “Taxation on a scale never before seen in the US was imposed on the population.” laid massive rail, founded the transcontinental railroad, gave 58 million acres to rail companies. created the department of agricultural Lincoln sighed into law 10 tariff raising bills and introduced massive corporate-welfare schemes.

 

National Banking

“To nationalize as much as possible, even currency, so as to make men love country first before their states, all private interest, local interests, all banking interests, the interests of individuals everything should be subordinate now to the interests of the government”
-Senator John Sherman of Ohio [ This a change in philosophy from founders that government serves the people ]

The government went deep into debt because of the war and this allowed Lincoln to add his wanted central banking, the motive that got him involved in politics in the first place. He instituted national banks with the ability to print greenbacks not backed by gold or silver. Of course not everyone in the north wanted this as congressmen Powell stated

“It utterly to destroy all the rights of the states. It is asserting a power which if carried out to its logical result would enable the national congress to destroy every institution of the states and cause all power to be consolidated and concentrated here” [D.C ]
-Kentucky democrat Lazarous Powell

To help conform the public to go along with national banking Lincoln added a 10% tax to state banks to help impose a national bank monopoly [The power to tax is the power to destroy] and hired Jay Cooke to use newspapers ads to attack state chartered banks, so national bank would dominate. Those who supported national banking such as Senator John Sherman of Ohio [Brother of General Sherman] said “the permanently increased government power embodied in the bill,” would foster “a sentiment of nationality.” This “A nationalized money supply helped transform America from a constitutional republic to an empire”

“The American public was also relentlessly propagandized by the government and its private sector accomplices, such as Jay Cooke, into believing that it could now look to the federal government for solutions to its problems. This made it easier for future generations of politicians to convince the American public to acquiesce in further expansions of government and further restrictions on personal liberty that would have caused the founding fathers to reach for their swords”
-Thomas Dilorenzo The Real Lincoln


Lincolns Marxists

“Most of these men believed the war was a continuation, in a different venue, of the central Europe revolutions of 1848”
-John Dwyer the war between the states

“By 1860 nearly a third of the people of the north's male population was forighn-born, and almost one in four union soldiers, was a first generation American”
-James Robertson Tenting Tonight the Soldiers life Time-Life Books

“Lincoln would not have won his election without foreigners”
-Clyde Wilson

In the book Lincolns Marxists it documents how after multiple failed socialist/Marxists revolution in Europe around 1848. These socialist migrated to America and took the fight to America. These immigrants, often German, became newspaper editors, or founders of newspapers, and started converting northerners. These marxists introduced “class struggle” into American politics or “class warfare” today, At odds with all men created equal. They sought to change the American form of government. They sided, volunteered and financially supported the centralizing party and government of Abraham Lincoln. These changes of course were disliked and rejected by the south. In 1860 ¼ of every northerner was a recent immigrant. Between 1830-1860 American whites increased by 1/3.

“An influx of German refugees with universality idea swelled the ranks of the new republican party in the 1850's”
-Clyde Wilson From Union to Empire

“Was a profound conservative movement. It was in fact a counterrevolution against the excess of northern demagoguery, mob rule, and dangerous fanaticism imported from Europe”
-E. merton Coulter The confederate States of America Louisiana State University Press

“In the 1850s there occurred one of the most decisive and least noticed revolutions in American history. A wave of Northeastern and German immigrants transformed the predominant character of the Midwest from an ally of the South to a colony of the Northeast....The census demographics and voting data show clearly that it was this newly arrived population that carried the Midwest for the Republicans in 1860. The Republican party was never a national party. Its core was always New England, the areas of the Middle States settled by Yankees, and the Upper Midwest.”
-Clyde Wilson the South and the West Part 2

Honest Abe? Lincoln the Master Politician

"Lincoln was a master politician, which means he was a consummate conniver, manipulator, and liar."
-Murray Rothbard

“The craftiest and most dishonest politician that ever disgraced an office in America.”
-Springfield neighbor of Lincolns quoted in David Donalds Lincoln Reconsidered

“Those that new Lincoln best, never called him honest Abe”
-Richard Smith Presidential Historian George Mason University

Part of what is believed about the Lincoln myth is Abraham Lincoln was an honest, good person. The Lincoln myth in some ways started with Lincolns public image. The historical Lincoln was a master politician who used people for his own power and agenda. He was a political opportunist who drifted with the tide “a quest for office” He would lie and mislead people to convince them to support him.

“Lincoln was Americas first modern politician”
-Al Benson Jr and Walter Kennedy Lincolns Marxists

Described as an expert politician able to condone and condemn at the same time. He would say yes, and no, and make listeners believe his intentions were good, a modern politician. His opponent in 1858 Stephen Douglass stated Lincoln “Can trim his principles any way in any section, so as to secure votes.” The Chicago daily democrat press said Lincoln “Provided a kind of loophole for escape if anything he said should not satisfy all kinds of views.” David Donald in Lincoln Reconsidered said “Lincoln, whose one dogma was an absence of dogma”

“There is a grand canyon between what Lincoln said and what he did...He ignored the Constitution when he wanted to and hide behind it when he wanted to.”
-Lerone Bennett Forced into Glory Abraham Lincolns White dream

“A propagandist rather than a strict facturalist, metaphorical and abstract rather than specific and practical.”
-Charles T Pace Lincoln as he Really was Shotwell publishing 2018

Abolitionist who sought to bring Lincoln to their side well knew Lincoln was a politician as Wendall Phillips stated “Lincoln is a Pawn on the political chessboard. With fair effort, we may soon change him for a knight, bishop or queen, and sweep the board.” At the age of 45 Lincoln first spoke out against the extension of slavery out west. He “Rode to glory on the public waves” as the north turned against the Kansas/Nebraska act. Lincoln “reinvented himself” and for the first time he spoke against slavery. Had public opinion never turned against slavery, its likely the master politician never would have. Even his own cabinet did not think him a great president.

“In every single stand he took, which superficially might appear to be an original attitude, either substantial or major groups had passed that point before him, and it was only the support that they had gathered and their potential strength that enticed Lincoln to the position”
-Thaddeus Stevens Fredrick Douglass 1934

“Politics was his life”
-David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered

 

Lincolns Public Image -Lincoln Rail Splitter or Rich Railroad Lobbyist

“Lincoln was what today would be called a “lobbyist” for the railroad industry”
-Thomas J Dilorenzo Lincoln Unmasked

In 1843 while running as a whig Lincoln political opponents portrayed him as “the Candidate of pride, wealth, and aristocracy..family distinctions” [marriage to Mary Todd] . S Lincoln remade his image.

“Shrewd manufacturer of his public image”
-Richard Smith presidential historian George mason University

Lincoln was able to Cunningly shape his own public image. He new how to sell himself, he would create a dishonest image of himself to sell to the public. For more see National geographic Top Secrets about Abraham Lincoln



While running for president Lincoln sold himself as a poor country rail splitter. In reality Lincoln was a rich powerful rail lobbyist and lawyer. He was a corporate trial lawyer, his clients were from every major railroad cooperation in the west. He subsidized $12 million tax in Illinois to rail corporations that ended in a big failure. But helped him politically become known as a railroad lobbyist. He was a cooperate insider and traveled with his own private rail car with a free pass, around the Midwest.

Lincolns powerful industrial interests were always present at political councils. 1862 Lincoln used a bill for the Union Pacific Railroad Tax payer subsidized to pay off northern business for their support of him and the republican party[Republican party still today allied with major industry]. He used government subsidized railroad that involving ethnic cleansing and removal of the great plains Indians from their land to make way for the rail road.


Lincolns personality

“Lincoln was not a social man, loved no man much, was more or less selfish”
-William Herdon

“No strong emotional feelings for any person mankind or thing”
-Judge Davis Eighth Judicial Circuit

Lincoln was described as selfish, manipulative, cold and said to use men like tools. Elizabeth Edwards Lincolns sister in law said Lincoln was “a cold man” with “no heart.” Law partner John Stuart said “there was no part of his nature which drew him to do acts of gratitude to his friends.” He would manipulate people and discard them when they offered him no more personal gain. Lincoln suffered with depression and took medicine for it. He was quick tempered, prone to ramblings and outburst of anger. He invited no family to his wedding and did not attend his fathers wedding. Those who new him best such as his family never voted for him and he did not even carry his hometown in the 1860 election.

“Mr Lincoln preferred Abe Lincoln to anybody else.”
-Springfield law partner quoted in Lincoln Reconsidered


Lincolns Assassination

After shooting Lincoln the Virginian Booth cried out the Virginia motto of “Sic Semper Tyrannis” meaning thus always the tyrants. This famous quote was selected from an earlier assassination of Julius Caesar by Marcus Brutus due to Caesar's role in transforming the roman republic into an empire. Similar in the way Lincoln transformed the American republic into an empire.


Lincoln an American Tyrant

"Lincoln and his administration committed every one of the acts of tyranny for witch Jefferson condemned the king [declaration of independence] on this score Lincoln was an even worse tyrant than George the third was.”
-Thomas Dilorenzo The Real Lincoln

In chapter 6 of Dilorezo's the Real Lincoln he goes through each of the grievances in the declaration of Independence showing Lincoln was guilty of every one of the causes of secession for the 13 colonies.

 

Verifiable reference for any of these nonsensical claims?

Simply making thread after thread does nothing to prove your claims.

 

sure, start with the books cited. If you need a specific let me know. I would start with

David Donald Lincoln reconsidered Vintage Books NY



I know it seems nonsensical, after all Lincoln was our greatest president and savior of the Constitution and union we are told. To find out the historical Lincoln transformed the union and republic and was the major violator of the Constitution, just does not seem right.


I think you struggle with my references. So take my first quote.

“Dictatorship played a decisive role in the north's successful effort to maintain the union by force of arms... one man was the government of the united states...Lincoln was a great dictator... this great constitutional dictator was self appointed”
-Historian Clinton Rossiter, Constitutional Dictatorship



So if you wish to dig into the quote, the book is here.

https://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Dictatorship-Crisis-Government-Democracies/dp/0765809753/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1546777438&sr=1-1-fkmr1&keywords=Historian+Clinton+Rossiter,+Constitutional+Dictatorship



see how that works?

 

Who cares?

 

Yup. Lincoln was a tyrant. Only a tyrant as evil as Lincoln would deny to Good, White, Christian Southerners the pleasures of tyrannizing Black people.

 

What abe are we talking about here? the winner writing the history version of propaganda? or the historical Lincoln? they are two separate people. The imaginary one let the slaves free, the other worked against abolitionist, did not free a single slave, and said things like this

“I have said a hundred times, and I have now no inclination to take it back, that I believe there is no right, and ought to be no inclination in the people of the free States to enter into the slave States, and interfere with the question of slavery at all.”
-Abraham Lincoln 1858


That is why i make these threads, so people can stop being lied to about Lincoln.


“Americans have been progressive dubbed down about Lincoln thanks to the avalanche of myths, superstitions, and propaganda produced by generations of “Lincoln scholars.”
-Thomas j Diolernzo Forward to Lincoln as he really was

“The Lincoln cult is almost an American religion. It has its high priest in the form of Lincoln “authorities” and its worshipers in the thousands of fans...the Lincoln birthplace in Kentucky, the memorial in Washington, the tomb in Illinois have become national shrines visited by thousands each week.”
-David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered

“Lincoln is theology, not historiology. He is a faith, he is a church, he is a religion, and he has his own priests and acolytes, most of whom . . . are passionately opposed to anybody telling the truth about him . . . with rare exceptions, you can’t believe what any major Lincoln scholar tells you about Abraham Lincoln and race.”
–Lerone Bennett, Jr., Forced into Glory, p. 114

“A biography of Lincoln witch told the truth about him would probley have great difficulty in finding a publisher.”
-Historian Ira Cardiff

Abraham Lincoln Abolitionist or White Supremacists?

 

https://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/sample-essays/abraham-lincoln-and-the-struggle-for/

 

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2013/02/18/the-other-13th-richard-albert

"the 13th Amendment we know now differs substantially from the one first proposed. The initial amendment would have made slavery constitutional and permanent — and Lincoln supported it."

Lincoln was willing to go that far to preserve the Union and avoid war. The stupid-ass traitors in the South opted for rebellion and ended up on the trash heap of history where they belong. The amendment that might have guaranteed slavery in the South instead became the one that abolished it everywhere. Ironically, the same stupid shits who chose treason and missed their best chance at what they wanted ended up deciding in a last moment of panic to offer emancipation to the slaves themselves - only too late to save their evil rebellion.

 

Allot of emotion and name calling against dead men who cant defend themselves you should be proud of yourself. But I am just not sure you are understanding the implications correctly. First it has nothing to do with Lincoln being a tyrants as he was [thread subject] neither does it help the case he was an abolitionist, he was not.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/abraham-lincoln-abolitionist-or-white-supremacists.8096808/

Consider this

The 13th Amendment And The 13th Amendment You Have Never Heard Of

The original 13th amendment was called the Corwin amendment, one that Lincoln pushed to get passed. It would forever allow slavery in America and would make it unconstitutional for the federal government to abolish it.

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State,, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

In his first inaugural address Lincoln stated on the Corwin amendment

“Holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable".
-Abraham Lincoln

He then sent a letter to the governor of each state transmitting the approved amendment for what he hoped would be ratification and noting that his predecessor, President James Buchanan, had also endorsed it. He told New York Senator William Seward, who would become his secretary of state, to push the amendment through the U.S. Senate. He also instructed Seward to get a federal law passed that would repeal the personal liberty laws in some of the Northern states that were used by those states to nullify the federal Fugitive Slave Act, which Lincoln strongly supported.

“Lincoln’s first inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, is probably the most powerful defense of slavery ever made by an American politician. In the speech Lincoln denies having any intention to interfere with Southern slavery; supports the federal Fugitive Slave Clause of the Constitution, which compelled citizens of non-slave states to capture runaway slaves; and also supported a constitutional amendment known as the Corwin Amendment that would have prohibited the federal government from ever interfering in Southern slavery, thereby enshrining it explicitly in the text of the U.S. Constitution.”
-Thomas Dilorenzo

Today's 13th amendment that abolishes slavery Lincoln had less to do with, This is from Spielberg's Upside-Down History: The Myth of Lincoln and the Thirteenth Amendment

“Harvard University Professor David H. Donald, the recipient of several Pulitzer prizes for his historical writings, including a biography of Lincoln. David Donald is the preeminent Lincoln scholar of our time on page 545 of his magnus opus, Lincoln, Donald notes that Lincoln did discuss the Thirteenth Amendment with two members of Congress – James M. Ashley of Ohio and James S. Rollins of Missouri. But if he used "means of persuading congressmen to vote for the Thirteeth Amendment," the theme of the Spielberg movie, "his actions are not recorded. Conclusions about the President's role rested on gossip . . . Moreover, there is not a shred of evidence that even one Democratic member of Congress changed his vote on the Thirteenth Amendment (which had previously been defeated) because of Lincoln's actions. Donald documents that Lincoln was told that some New Jersey Democrats could possibly be persuaded to vote for the amendment "if he could persuade [Senator] Charles Sumner to drop a bill to regulate the Camden & Amboy [New Jersey] Railroad, but he declined to intervene". "One New Jersey Democrat," writes David Donald, "well known as a lobbyist for the Camden & Amboy, who had voted against the amendment in July, did abstain in the final vote, but it cannot be proved that Lincoln influenced his change". Thus, according to the foremost authority on Lincoln, there is no evidence at all that Lincoln influenced even a single vote in the U.S. House of Representatives”.Lincoln late in the war being pressured to support the 13th amendment from abolitionist within his party also supported the amendment.



It took the people of the states to pass the 13th amendment to end slavery after Lincoln was dead. Lincoln often worked hard to stop the abolition of slavery.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/abraham-lincoln-abolitionist-or-white-supremacists.8096808/



Further the Souths rejection of the Corwin amendment is evidence they did not leave over slavery. Consider this.


Slavery was Safer in the Union Than the Confederacy


“Howard county [MO] is true to the union” “our slaveholders think it is the sure bulwark of our slave property”
-Abeil Lenord Whig party leader at the onset of the war

For the upper south slavery in fact was safer in the union than the confederacy. Slavery was constitutionally protected in both the northern and southerner states for the entire civil war. Lincoln and the north supported the Corwin amendment that would have protected slavery forever in the the U.S constitution and used it to try and stop secession.

“No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof[ slavery], including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.”
-Corwin Amendment

The united states supreme court had ruled in favor of the fugitive slave laws and the use of federal agents to return runaway slaves to their masters. A confederacy would have no protection for runaways north. Lincoln and the north did not invade the south to end slavery. Lincoln had no problem with the upper south slave states in the union as he called for volunteers to attack the deep south to repress the rebellion [not slavery]. The 1860 republican platform plank 4 said slavery was a state issue and they would not interfere with slavery. Lincoln also said the states had the right to chose on slavery and he would not interfere with slavery.

“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere Untitled with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so”
-Abraham Lincoln Inaugural address

After the deep south left the union the federal government decided it would not end slavery in the house on Feb 1861 and senate march 2 1861. On July 22 1861 congress declared “This war is not waged , nor purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions [slavery] of those states.” October 8th 1861 the newspaper Washington D.C National Intelligence said “The existing war had no direct relation to slavery.”

“Seven-tenths of our people owned no slaves at all, and to say the least of it, felt no great and enduring enthusiasm for its [slavery’s] preservation, especially when it seemed to them that it was in no danger.’ ”
-John G. Barrett, The Civil War in North Carolina




If you wish to see more reasons why the south did not leave over slavery or why they did leave, see here.


https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-the-upper-south-american-civil-war.8088497/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...southern-secession-the-cotton-states.8088501/



As for who were traitors to the Constitution and founders, that is very clear [guess who its Lincoln] see here

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-legality-of-secession-in-antebellum-america.8095853/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...e-political-effects-of-the-civil-war.8093078/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...rarian-vs-northern-industrialization.8097838/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-the-upper-south-american-civil-war.8088497/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...southern-secession-the-cotton-states.8088501/

 

In your rush to plagiarize through excessive quotation you failed to read my link, or to understand your own.

 

Funny how Trump's actions in declaring national emergency in the borders gives him the same power - but where is the objection from the forum's radical far right?

Even Ann Coulter said Trump's claim was bogus because he was an "idiot" and that only he was the real menace to society.

 

he is often taken to task by libertarians [such as myself] as are republicans and democrats. Neither major party even closely resembles the founders.

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...e-political-effects-of-the-civil-war.8093078/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...rarian-vs-northern-industrialization.8097838/

By the way, Lincoln founded the republican party [pretty much] it is not surprising that modern republicans act almost just like the early ones.

 

Modern democrats act just like the ones who betrayed our nation for the sake of slavery.

 

? modern democrats act like socialist/communist. The original socialist/communist were republicans.

https://www.amazon.com/Lincolns-Marxists-Al-Benson-Jr/dp/158980905X

I also would ask who betrayed our country? the south that maintained the republic of the founders, or Lincoln who transformed america into a centralized nation.


https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-legality-of-secession-in-antebellum-america.8095853/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...e-political-effects-of-the-civil-war.8093078/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...rarian-vs-northern-industrialization.8097838/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-the-upper-south-american-civil-war.8088497/
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...southern-secession-the-cotton-states.8088501/

 

The traitorous dogs of the so-called confederacy who sought to divide our union for the sake of the evil institution of slavery. The Democrats then like the Democrats now were all about control oppression and hostility to liberty.

 

once more you speak myth rather than history. Would you care to defend any of those positions in a debate?

 

These are the undeniable facts of history.

 

AS far back as grade school I knew something didn't make sense when I considered the aftermath of the CivlWar. Later, in high school, I tried to find when we moved from the original Constitution to the big government now we have. I dwelled awhile on the efforts just before and during WW II, but eventually it led back to the Civil War,, that's when everything changed.

 

You mean the Articles of Confederation?

 

Russians trolls perhaps???????????

But I do tend to agree that we would be more then likely to had been better off if we had cut the slaves states loose instead of paying the high price in blood to keep them in the union where they had been a drag to the republic to this very day.

The writer and history professor Turtledove wrote a whole serious of books with the idea that the South did manage to break away from the union.

 

Sounds like right wing screed to me.
www.propornot.com

 

The constitution is a living document, according to tom paine.
How so? Constitutional amendments, not insurrection.

 

lol. What's your take on jefferson davis?