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Lincoln an American Tyrant

Discussion in 'History and Culture' started by 1stvermont, Jan 5, 2019.

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  1. Gorgeous George

    Gorgeous George Well-Known Member

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    Are you scared?
     
    Gorgeous George, Feb 27, 2019
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    Gorgeous George Well-Known Member

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    We don't have rule from the dead. Times change and evolve.
     
    Gorgeous George, Feb 27, 2019
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    Read "Cold Mountain".
     
    Gorgeous George, Feb 27, 2019
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    People who buy Hallmark cards.:nod:
     
    Gorgeous George, Feb 27, 2019
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    Agreed, the republicans and democrats have "evolved" [or devolved depending on your preferences] far from the founders, thus proving my point. Lincoln in his day, trump today are far more big government than the founders ever intended.
     
    1stvermont, Feb 27, 2019
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    yeah but they're still dead.
     
    Gorgeous George, Feb 28, 2019
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    agreed, and there principles [some believed timeless] and government buried.
     
    1stvermont, Feb 28, 2019
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    Of what?
     
    unkotare, Mar 18, 2019
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    Your shadow.
     
    Gorgeous George, Mar 20, 2019
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    No. Thanks for asking.
     
    unkotare, Mar 20, 2019
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    Why?
     
    Gorgeous George, Mar 20, 2019
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    There are really two competing values at work here, I believe, viz.:

    (1) Should states be required to remain in the union, if they wish otherwise?

    To which I would answer: Emphatically not!

    However, (2) Should some people be allowed to "own" other people?

    The answer, again, is an emphatic no!

    I think the fancy term for this is "cognitive dissonance"...
     
    pjohns, Mar 20, 2019
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    Your knowledge of this subject is pathetic. The States have always had the RIGHT to secede from the United States as it was a voluntary union. NO WHERE in the Constitution is the Federal Government given ownership of the States. In fact the first serious threat of secession came from New England, not the South. In 1814, delegates from the New England states gathered at the Hartford Convention. The right to secession is ingrained in our countries history and was the founding principal outlined in the Declaration of Independence. So why don't you stow your idiotic talk about traitors, because if anyone were traitors it was Lincoln and the cabal of industrialists who destroyed States rights and started us on the road to tyranny where today our Bill of Rights is not worth the paper it is written on.

    "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government",
     
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    The Constitution gives the government the power to repel insurrections. It's clearly enumerated.
     
    Gorgeous George, May 20, 2019
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    Stop emoting and go read the Texas v White decision, kid.
     
    unkotare, May 21, 2019
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    And France congratulated him for destroying the republic with a copper statue they finished in twenty years. If I could find the quote, I'd post it. I've posted it before. The words on that plaque are from a French writer, not a leader of the Constitutional republic. I think the statue and plaque should be removed and sent back to France. I think it should be replaced with a symbol of the little folks breaking the bonds of the tyranny of a government that disallowed liberty and had a caste system underpinning socialism. YMMV on what goes back on the base.
     
    Chester_Murphy, May 21, 2019
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    They are not going to be, so find something else to fret over.
     
    unkotare, May 21, 2019
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    Classic example of the complaint about Lincoln. Heil unkotare.
     
    Chester_Murphy, May 21, 2019
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    Last edited: May 21, 2019
    Gorgeous George, May 21, 2019
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    Yes or no, do you really think the Statue of Liberty is going to be returned? Stop being a little child about this.
     
    unkotare, May 21, 2019
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    Secession is not a insurrection. Try again
     
    jdog, May 21, 2019
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    You got that from the trump dictionary of trump newspeak.
     
    Gorgeous George, May 23, 2019
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    Try reading the Declaration of Independence, and come back when know the difference between your backside and a hole in the ground.
     
    jdog, May 23, 2019
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