llinois officer responds to gunfire, fatally shoots security guard

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  1. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    Because his actions are clearly manslaughter. That is what you or I would get charged and convicted of if we shot a security guard who was detaining an active shooter. At a bare minimum, he was criminally negligent.
     
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    No, it's not anti police.....it's just a fact in America today.
     
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    Well, in the context that was meant ("good guy with a gun" being the police) and the shooting of an innocent unarmed black man (which was meant) you'll have a different set of numbers them what YOU mean.
     
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    Have you gone to any city council meetings or petitioned your local legislators to abandon the 'Shoot First' Law Enforcement curriculum being pushed nationwide by DHS for over a decade? Cuz if you havn't, It doesn't seem to me you're focusing your energy on this issue in the proper direction.

    Cops are just doing what we're allowing them to be trained to do.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    You mean like manslaughter?
     
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    I suppose due process is not needed when someone on the internet knows better.
     
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    Actually, it was my misunderstanding. Questerr used "good guy with a gun" to refer to the security guard, not the officer.
     
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    Yeah, saw that later.
     
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    Due process doesn't matter when a cop can just say "I was scared" and they walk.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm curious about your first paragraph. What is the acceptable level of dead innocents as long as a higher level of the guilty are killed?
     
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    Come on. Deep down you know that the fact that he was a 6'5 black man probably didn't help him. Stop kidding yourself.

    He had a security cap on + people were saying he was a security guard.

    "Roberson, a father of a 9-month-old boy, was licensed to carry a firearm, Ansari said."

    Another example showing that polices in the USA are probably badly trained to respond to crisis. "Shoot first, think later" isn't a good moto.
     
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    Well if you heard active shooter we know your ass would run the other way. Why the heck do you have to blame everything that happens as some big police conspiracy? Things happen in a serious altercation, if the officer acted unprofessionally he will lose his job and maybe his freedom.
     
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    I agree with the training part but I seriously doubt in a active shooter situation color overrides that pistol being in his hand.
     
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    First of all, if the first paragraph seems faulty, it’s because it’s based on a faulty understanding of Questerr’s opening remark. I read it wrong and believed his point was that armed citizens are just as dangerous as armed criminals or armed mentally-handicapped. I was trying to state that such a comparison to justify gun control is wildly unfair based on historical statistics. It was never meant to imply that any level of deaths by shooting is acceptable, although I’m aware that it could easily be misinterpreted that way.

    I’ve since apologized to him for my misunderstanding.
     
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    Of course it is why he was shot.

    Just ask any cop-hating lib/prog.

    They'll tell you.
     
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    No worries. Sorry I didn’t see that before posting. Cheers :)
     
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    If through gross negligence he took a human life, why wouldn't his freedom be in jeopardy?

    But, let's wait for the investigation.
     
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    Just another trigger happy cop doing what trigger happy cops do.:smfh:
     
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    If there is a different reaction based on race, there needs to be a remedy that protects innocent people and addresses the issue. The low class comment seems like blatant refusal to examine whether or not racial profiling was an issue. This is about saving lives.

     
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    Agreed that it is sad, but what other conclusion can a reasonable person reach? Are cops completely incompetent? Similar 'mistakes' happen all around the country.
     
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    When you start a sentence with "Due process doesn't matter" it doesn't matter what you say afterwards.
     
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    Sounds fair to me!
     
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    Yes, ignore the rampant problems with police walking scot-free from shooting citizens.
     
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    Fair point. But how to deal with the negligence? The law looks at the extent of harm when deciding on the amount of damages that should be paid by a negligent party. That sorts out the compensation side but what about the cop's behaviour? How did the situation develop? At various stages of the situation the cop had to make decisions. When did the decisions go bad? How should the cop be dealt with? Damn difficult questions I know but best to think logically on this (not accusing you of illogical thinking because I'm quoting your post to look at the bigger picture).

    As has been said, cops see you armed they see a threat and act accordingly. There are a lot of guns in the States, not all owned by the good people. Cops work in an extremely dangerous environment because of the fact that there are so many people with guns. But that isn't going to change, so people might want to get used to tragic situations like this happening again and again.
     
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    Or we can give him his due process.
     

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