Lock her up! ... Lock her up!... Lock her... oh oh...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not cherry picking anything. And the only context I left out was you saying that lying was not a crime except if it was Hillary who was lying.

    Other than that, what I caught you doing was trying to twist facts... and it backfired on you. All reports concluded that Hillary said things that were not factual, but all concluded that it was not a crime. You tried to twist it to appear as if it were exactly the opposite of what the investigations concluded. And you got caught in your own knot.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you further descend into denial and fallacy land - this time accusing me of something I did not say so you have something to attack - Mr. Strawman.


    Then you spin another falsehood - You are referring to a different investigation into something other than the Crime I mentioned - Lying to Congress about Arming terrorists groups in Syria ... an act for which History has already found Ms Clinton Guilty - Lock her up !!

    There is no twisting of facts here - as Hillary committed the crime - and should do the time. The only twisting here is the your mind bending twists of denial and thought avoidance - covering ears, eyes, nose, mouth and every other orifice that might let the bad news in
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    The accusations that even these guys who tried over and over to get Hillary, considered so absurd that they would ridicule themselves if they investigated (like Pizzagate), are even a worse example. Look... Hillary was investigated for the same things multiple times. Do you think they would have passed up the opportunity to investigate her for more, if they made any sense?

    Worst thing about this is that I think you probably would believe that.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they do not investigate our own for war crimes - even if they are on the other side - its how things work dude.

    We have all this "Quid Pro Quo" talk with respect to Trump -

    You wan't QPQ ? Just look at Trump's appointment of Wilbur Ross to commerce secretary - The dude who bailed Trump out of bankruptcy while working for the big money interests that run this nation.

    Why do the Dem's not talk about this ? - because the big money interests behind Ross are part of the Establishment.

    You can't be this naive to the fact that ours is a Pay to Play system - If you play along with the Establishment big money interest agenda - you get paid - and everyone knows it. Washington is a cesspool.

    Regardless - it matters not why Red has not gone after Hillary for lying to Congress about arming terrorists. The fact of the matter is that Hillary lied to congress about arming terrorist in Syria
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Didn’t a few of Trump’s underlings go to jail for lying to Congress?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They did ! - for crimes far less than that of Ms Clinton - Two tiered system of justice ?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What the f... hell? What do you think the Iran-Contra investigation was about?

    Because many are in the bag for special interest and the donor class. Not as many as Republicans but... Hillary most definitely!

    Now... If you want to talk about Trump's extortion, there are several threads on that topic. This one is not.

    But it's notable how, when we open a thread to talk about Trump, the right wants to change the subject to Hillary. And when it's about Hillary, they immediately want to go back to Trump.

    Always striving to change the subject is a curious characteristic unique to the right. It kinda helps me prove what I have always said: On any issue in which Democrats and Republicans are on opposite sides, you can count on Democrats being wrong about 75% of the time. And you can count on Republicans being wrong 100% of the time.
     
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    We can only hope that one day there will be a just system. She is not above the law, though that's how she is treated. It may just be that she suffered so much from losing to Trump, they feel as though she suffered enough. She can't let it go. She must have been damaged some how.

    Then again, apparently, neither can @Golem. hmm...
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll remember you said this. How do you like your crow?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    More like a three-tiered system. One in which most of us mere mortals are. The second one is Hillary's. She is investigated over and over for the same things. Witnesses are called. She is deposed for hours. All documents are presented and everything is public. And yet, she is exonerated of any actionable crime every single time. For over 25 years. And yet the right wants more investigations. And the third is the one in which Trump is. Where the President hides the evidence, refuses to participate, illegally denies witnesses.... and his attorneys argue that there wasn't enough evidence, that he was "not allowed" to participate, and that they didn't call enough witnesses.... and this is thought of as a "good excuse" for Senators to not hold him accountable.
     
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    The Iran Contra investigation was something completely different - first off - there was no investigation of war crimes .. but heck - even that level of investigation would not take place today.

    What was not "investigated" in something related to the Iran Contra Affair - was arming and training soldiers - of death squad dictators - in terror tactics - at the "School of the America'" - These death squads were engaged in mass war crimes in El Salvador/Guatemala.

    - because that would conflict with a "Necessary Illusion" and Establishment false narrative - "We are the good guys" fighting against the Evil Communism. No investigation - no discussion in the MSM - until long after the fact when it does not matter.

    The same story we have with Syria - The History Books are written - We directly engaged in arming and supporting a mass war crime - crime against humanity- and continued to engage long after we knew what was happening on the ground - with respect to the side we were supporting.

    Where is that on CNN/FOX ? - during the 5-6 years we were supporting this crime ? - or now for that matter.

    When Rand Paul went on CNN's Sunday Morning program "State of the Union in 2014 - and stated directly - "We armed Al Qaeda/ ISIS" - "We are fighting along side Al Qaeda/ISIS" - what was the MSM response ? "Crickets"

    It is no secret that the US Gov't did the crime - and every journalist who was remotely aware of the situation in Syria knew this - and knew this was going on for years - yet they lied and they lied - reporting as if this was not the case -

    It is "verboten" to go against certain Establishment narratives/ necessary illusions. Books have been written on the subject - would you like the titles of a few ? One I know for sure you can read online.
     
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    I have never denied any of the above - so not sure why you are repeating it - I did not like the Slick Willy witch hunt " Monica-gate" - I did not like the Trump witch hunt - "Russiagate".

    What went down - in both cases - is disturbing - done in the name of partisan politics and political gain.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes please. Remember it like I remember when you guys were so excited because there was yet another Hillary investigation. And were rubbing your hands in anticipation of how "this one" would be the one that would nail her!
     
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    Because there was no declared war. But neither was there in Syria.

    Look... I have no interest in your attempts to derail the thread. If you have something to say about the topic we are discussing, say it.
     
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    Then you do deny what I said. This concept that a President cannot be investigated because you can arbitrarily label them "witch hunts" is exactly what I'm referring to. Or that you can equivocate by comparing two radically different cases. Third-tier is composed of Trump, and Trump alone.
     
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    'cept Hillary is now in obscurity never to be heard of again.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said nothing of the kind -
     
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    The Thread title is "Lock Her up" Just because you are not able to deal with my example of why Hillary should be locked up - does not mean the thread has been derailed.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's a twofer! Hillary (who I don't like) out of the picture; and conspiracy theorists like Rush, Hannity ... and the rest, yet again humiliated.
     
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    They did not say it was not a crime. They said she was "extremely careless". to say it was not a crime would be a lie, because it was a crime.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What the f... hell? That's exactly what you said!

    You: "I have never denied any of the above - so not sure why you are repeating it - I did not like the Slick Willy witch hunt " Monica-gate" - I did not like the Trump witch hunt - "Russiagate".

    What went down - in both cases - is disturbing - done in the name of partisan politics and political gain."
    And I responded...

    Me: This concept that a President cannot be investigated because you can arbitrarily label them "witch hunts" is exactly what I'm referring to. Or that you can equivocate by comparing two radically different cases. Third-tier is composed of Trump, and Trump alone.
     
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    Just because you can come up with yet another unfounded conspiracy theory doesn't mean the great efforts this administration has made to try to lock her up have failed again and again, as shown by reports that this same administration has mad public.

    And, given that this administration has pulled no stops at trying to find something... anything.... to smear the previous administration in general, and Hillary in particular, the obvious conclusion is that the conspiracy theory was deemed too absurd... too nonsensical... to even be investigated. At the same level as pizzagate, which was also not investigated.
     
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    Being careless is not a crime.

    Quote it from the U.S. code.

    On second thought, I know you won't, because you never have. It's the reason why I don't even bother to respond to you much anymore. So just forget I said anything.
     
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