Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Jan 11, 2020.
For me, just responding to the ridiculous claim that she did nothing illegal.
You can find similar examples on the blue side. Belief in respect for individual liberty - the founding principle - is not belief in liberty "Only for things one agrees with" - Everyone believes in that.
Belief in liberty is belief for freedom for things one disagrees with.
The establishment hates the founding principle - Red and Blue attack liberty from different sides of the fence and also from the same side.
Did Obama legalize Pot at the Federal level ? Nope. Did Obama protect individual liberty Nope.
Sure.... That's why she's in priso... I mean... that's why she's being indict... no? ... that's why she's under invest.... not that either?... that's why she's ... been accused by the most credible Russian bots.... Yeah, that's it! They can't be wrong!
She was not charged - nor indited - and nor was Obama and numerous others involved.
The 13 bipartisan cosponsors of the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - a bill which came about because of out Gov't was arming radical Islamist Jihadists - including Al Qaeda and ISIS - are not a Russian bot.
The depths of mindless denial to which you are sinking is unfortunate. Do you always react this way when reality conflicts with your white dove perspective of Hillary and Obama ?
So once again - from Congress and not a Russian bot
Lock Her Up !!
sorry about law enforcement and the justice department and the inspector general and everyone else who has looked into your garbage phoney scandals... She would have to be insane to try anything illegal with the GOP checking every word and action for 28 years now LOL wake up and smell the coffee
The GOP propaganda machine charged that Obama and Hillary supplied arms purposely 2 terrorists is absolutely ridiculous but that is just typical GOP propaganda idiocy. End of story
But she did something illegal. It is well documented by the FBI. Just read the report.
Funny how with their reconciliation and filibuster rules, the GOP only needs 51 votes in the Senate to cut taxes on the rich had services for everyone else, while Democrats need 60 votes to pass reform isn't it. Dum Dee Dum Dum....I think the next Democratic president is going to go nuclear and pass all kinds of reform with 51 plus votes. Obama no doubt felt it was too much for a black president to do, would just drive half the country insane. You know, uppity.
Bologna. She was unlucky enough to be involved in the first changes due to computers and emails. 60% of political coverage was about her emails and now nothing she is ever done has been found to be criminal. the emails were classified after she looked at them and she was the ******n Secretary of state and she did exactly the same stuff as condoleezza and general Powell, it's just that the Russians were not interested at that time in hacking. Putin hates Clinton more than anyone because she spoke the truth during his elections.... Congratulations on the whole GOP now being a Russian asset LOL...
It is historical fact - and no longer some secret -
The "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" was introduced to the house by Tulsi Gabbard - a Democrat - Cosigned by 13 Bipartisan in congress.
What is idiocy is claiming that this bipartisan group would just make up such a story. End of Story.
So how is Tulsi doing in the primaries? Absolute idiocy.
I agree that what you are saying was a factor - but at the end of the day - there was little hope - and very little change to the Establishment Status Quo.
Obama continued to pad the pockets of the Military Industrial Complex with Regime change wars - Libya, Syria, Yemen (2 of which will add war crimes and crimes against humanity to his legacy) - kept us in Afghanistan.
Obamacare was lipstick on a pig - none of the systemic issues were addressed
Perhaps most disappointing was the "civil rights activist" continuing the policy of trashing individual liberty - going after those who tried to out Gov't criminality through legitimate means (not talking snowden/manning here) - while the criminals got a pass - or a promotion. Clapper being one example.
He made some small changes to the Patriot act but - it is still the act which takes away liberty - now renamed the equally Orwellian doublespeak "Freedom Act"
Asset forfeiture continued - a policy which actually encourages Police to break the law - and they do so - often on this basis. In addition this is a violation of the rule of law.
Obama continued to clamp down on freedom of information, Speech and freedom of the press - Mostly doing what a good little Establishment wonk does.
The citizens are in a foul mood - and it will be an interesting election on this basis - the anti Establishment movement was a deciding factor in the last election - on both sides of the fence. This time that movement has grown larger
Trump handed this election to the Dem's on a silver platter - all they had to do is stay out of the way - continue to promote their message- and let Trump shoot himself in the foot -as he does on a near daily basis. .
Instead they took the failed Hillary Tactic - which was doing nothing but "Bad Trump - Bad Trump" . A failed Mueller "Russiaget"investigation that was as corrupt as it comes - true kangarooland tactics and propaganda central. I have not paid much attention to Ukraine-gate on this basis - and I am guessing that many in the middle feel the same.
When you speak the Truth - the you get demonized by the Establishment. Did you have any further ad hom fallacy you wanted to add ?
Read the report.
Two possibilities: either a huge conspiracy, of world-wide proportions to protect her. In which even high Trump officials like Barr and a majority of Republicans in Congress are involved. Plus thousands of investigators, U.S. attorneys, bureaucrats, foreign heads of state (including some that hate her), judges ... you name it.
Or she didn't do anything that warranted it.
Exaggeration that it is a conspiracy of world wide proportions is not a choice.. The reason is simpler. The FBI wrote the report and Comey said she was guilty of "Gross Negligence" which was a crime. Strzok talked him into calling it "extremely careless" which is not defined as a crime. Since she was not elected president and has no future in politics, she is not worth convicting. However, that does not mean she is not guilty.
Listening to Comey, we know she lied 4 or 5 times and know she destroyed E-mails she was to turn over. All I can surmise is she has so much dirt on so many people, they are afraid to charge her.
Need some evidence trump is using a private server he has at home where classified emails are kept. Also evidence that he has bleached out 30 000 emails that congress wants to see as he destroyed govt property
I am not saying he has not broke some rules just not those critical rules. For if he had he would be impeached .
What hillary did and she doesnt get protection from crimes since only a president gets that , if done by a soldier who put at risk classified info by having it off system on his private server would be in prison .
The explanation why she isnt in any trouble is a 2 tiered justice system that protects particular people in power
The reagan admin. had around 1500 people charged with crimes of which half of them went to prison That was back when our doj had a one tiered justice system. Since that clean out of criminals everyone in DC came to jesus and no longer commit crimes. Who believes that? Perhaps our local village idiot.
Crimes graft and corruption has always existed in DC but the doj stopped prosecuting them because of two justice systems.
Or everyone post Reagan found jesus and no longer commit crimes.
There was lots of criminals that helped to crash our economy in 08. In the past as with the S aand L crisis people in the financial sector went to prison yet Obama's doj sent no one to prison. His same doj sent no banker to prison for laundering drug cartel money in the billions. Two tiered and clinton walked.
Not even the Russian bot?
Hmmm... doesn't look good for your conspiracy theory, then.
Don't worry. They'll come up with another one.
God you're desperate!
Look,.... when you can't produce even so much as an investigation of any crime being committed, what is "mindless" is not the denial. What is mindless is exactly the contrary. As I have said before, Hillary is the most exonerated politician in History. And you keep looking for conspiracies. Give it a rest! Those who keep doing that over and over just end up projecting an image of utter desperation and foolishness.
You guys have investigated her for almost 30 years.... and you have nothing to show for it!
Actually the Republicans do have something to show for their efforts. She was buried in a humilating landslide election loss.
You're trying to convince me of that? You have many many others on this forum to convince on this forum. Not me.
First you say she's "not worth convicting". Who decides that? And because she's not running??? And then you claim to be privy to the FBI's internal conversations. Making up your own version of the conspiracy theory doesn't make it less a conspiracy theory. And then.... you say she is guilty of something that you also say is not a crime! You have not only repeated the Conspiracy nonsense, but even added to it.
I don't like Hillary... but you guys are so desperate to look for something... anything... that it's just... pathetic.
Just accept the simple fact: she has been investigated again and again.... and nothing whatsoever has come out of those investigations. That makes her the most "exonerated" politician who has ever lived.
I may have been wrong. We may hear more about it. They are investigating Comey for providing classified information to a newspaper via a third party and his handling of the server/email investigation.
Dude - listen to yourself - you are claiming that a bill in congress "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - introduced into the house by Tulsi Gabbard - with 13 Bipartisan Co-sponsors - is the product of a Russian bot.
Now If that is not mind bending and desperate denial - I don't know what is..
Listen to Trump's Department of Justice, to the State Department (twice), to the Republican Congress, Republican Oversight Committee, Republican Judicial Committee, IG....
How many times do you need to see her exonerated.
Again: she is the most exonerated politician in History. Nobody has been investigated and found not to have committed a crime as many times as she has.
Hah! That's hilarious!
Trump loyalists will never get over the fact that Hillary beat Trump at the ballot box. And that Trump became President only thanks to a legal technicality.
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