LOCK HIM UP: 18 U.S. Code § 2385.Advocating overthrow of Government

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

I think at this point it is clear that the Don is seeking to overthrow the election and hence the government of the USA by force. He is on record many times advocating that those who support him use force and in some cases even violence to suppress his opposition. It has recently been revealed that Michael Flynn has advocated publicly that the military capabilities of the USA would be within the limits of the law to enforce martial law, presumably starting with Georgia (a serendipitous name of a US State that would please Trump's Daddy Putin to no end, I'm sure). Ft. Benning! Send in the Rangers to secure the Chavez Voting Machines!

I think the opposite needs to happen at this point. I would be pleased to see the armed services proceed to take Trump into custody and let Pence assume office until the inauguration. Our military officers' oaths are as best I recall to the Constitution, and mention nothing of the President.

https://www.army.mil/values/officers.html

 

I don't think they meant perfectly legal lawsuits.

 

The majority of people with guns (military and cops) support Trump. If you want to get the military involved, I don't think it will go down the way you want it to.

 

The people who should be locked up are those who are proposing preemptive action. The military and federal law officers all swear allegiance to the Constitution. When it becomes time for Trump to leave the White House, he will leave the White House. In the unlikely event that requires force, so be it, but there is no need for preemptive action.

I preferred that Trump win. He did not and it is over. It is time for the US to move on.

 

Interesting. You think they would support Trump over the Constitution?

 

So expressing opinions publicly and using the judicial system is considered "force." Have you thought that through?

 

More 2+2 equals some random number in excess of 235.

 

Biden isn't the US government. Donald Trump is.

 

Trump's Overthrow Cabinet

Michael Flynn
Sydney Powell
Roger Stone
Stephen Bannon
Ken Paxton

 

There are more bats in that belfry than a Transylvanian takeover

 

No, it won't go down the way you are anticipating. Much the opposite. You might have an interest in reading what the freaking Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said of all of this (if you don't know who that is, it's the general who commands the entire US Military as the highest ranking military chief; only the Secretary of Defense and the President are above him but he is at NO OBLIGATION to obey them when the order is illegal or unconstitutional; much the opposite, he is NOT supposed to obey unconstitutional orders and use the US military to attack the Constitution and to go against the will of the American people.

General Mark A. Milley: “We do not take an oath to a king or a queen, a tyrant or a dictator. We do not take an oath to an individual. We take an oath to the Constitution. Every service member will protect and defend that document regardless of personal price.”

https://apnews.com/article/military-wary-shakeup-upend-apolitical-89eccf0aef7cf7b99208b3bfd0453a43

Sorry but we are not a Banana Republic. Trump is doing his best to try to turn us into one, but he won't succeed. There will be no military coup to support the wannabe fascist tyrant, regardless of what loyalist Trump nominates as Secretary of Defense for his lame duck period.

My oh my, how things have turned. In the past, right wingers were FOR the upholding of the US Constitution. Seems like now, they are for a fascist who wants to throw it in the garbage can.

 

Yes sir, I've given this quite a bit of consideration before posting this particular thread. It is my opinion that a person who occupies the office of the President of the United States is less entitled to freedom of speech than the average citizen. You may not agree with this, but it is pretty well accepted in the US in both public and private affairs that leaders and executives are held to a higher standard regarding the things they say in public.

However, my opinion here is only supplemental to the fact that when the President speaks, or tweets, he does so from a pinnacle of power that by definition constitutes the use of force.

Odd that you bring up the lawsuits, all of which have been thrown out, but, yes, even these represent another application of force to attempt to overturn the proceedings of the legitimate operation of the government of the United States of America.

 

Beijing Biden should be locked up for his "greatest election fraud organization in US history" as he confessed in one of his old age dementia moments. Maybe he could plea insanity by the time it comes to trial.

 

Amazing, missed taking US history and civics in high school did you?

 

Nice. In this first response, you have teed up a discussion from another thread that in large part led to this OP.

Links to that thread here,

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...snookered-and-by-whom.582555/#post-1072308462

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...snookered-and-by-whom.582555/#post-1072308804

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...snookered-and-by-whom.582555/#post-1072308813

 

When you've exhausted the courts and want to over throw the courts and the government, what do you call that?

 

The majority of the military and cops do not support trump committing treason, or attempting a coup, which is why no one in the military would follow his orders if he tried to declare martial law.

 

I would call it the way that America won it's independence from Britain. Conservatives no longer feel that the federal government represents ANY of their interests or concerns. When 70 million Americans feel this way, your country has entered into very dangerous territory indeed.

 

Nice, and your leader for this revolution is a guy that was known to be a favorite of Roy Cohn? A rich kid from Jamaica Queens? That's your guy for this?

 

The last civil war we had was the North vs. the South and they distinguished themselves by the color of their uniforms. How are we going to tell us apart this time. Will we have red uniforms and blue uniforms? How will we be able to distinguish the drunken village idiots from the majority?

 

I'm not convinced. I think the entire ridiculous exercise is nothing more than a fund raising event. I think the more prosecutable charge is fraud..............just as in his old friend's case.

"Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former adviser and an architect of his 2016 general election campaign, was charged on Thursday with defrauding donors to a private fund-raising effort called We Build the Wall, which was intended to bolster the president’s signature initiative along the Mexican border.

Mr. Bannon, working with a wounded Air Force veteran and a Florida venture capitalist, conspired to cheat hundreds of thousands of donors by falsely promising that their money had been set aside for new sections of wall, according to a federal indictment unsealed in Manhattan.

The fund-raising effort collected more than $25 million, and prosecutors said Mr. Bannon used nearly $1 million of it for personal expenses."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/nyregion/steve-bannon-arrested-indicted.html

 

You seem to be considering his intent rather than what he is actually doing, and I maintain my assertion that he is actively breaking the law, 18 USC 2385 to be specific.

 

I think your assertion falls short on the necessity of advocating the overthrow by "force or violence." But I agree, no matter if what he's doing meets the statutory requirements to be charged, it's deplorable.

 

I don't see any point in responding to conspiracy theories.

 

OP and all the other similar threads here read like, "Well the Sopranos now completely control the waste management industry... but we still have to play by the industry rules of course."

See Thoreau, "Civil Disobedience," see Fortas, "Civil Disobedience." See the Framers, and especially Jefferson generally (out of context, one off Jefferson cherry-picks excluded).

BTW, it's not Trump you lot of "sincerely interested," completely "organic" usual suspect posters have to truly worry about, it's the erosion of the tax base in massive tax revolts and the very real prospect of violent reaction when he's out of office, tens of millions of American taxpayers have given up hope that the federal government is illegitimate, and slowly but surely retool themselves into the likely horrific eventuality.

Or maybe that was the plan all along.