Looks Like NAFTA Is Coming To An End

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    It's a matter of regulating [yikes--a dirty word!] the pipeline companies.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nah,actually he and I have been going back and forth for years. He actually does know a bunch about canada.

    He is using parody for his anti-canada campaign and tries to stay in character.
     
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    Like Pearl Harbor, :flagus: will come to its' senses. Wake up to global economic hegemony.
    No One Big attack ala Pearl.

    And :flagus: will come to its' senses, like not requiring PhD student visa sorts with High Tech jobs to return to their mother country.

    Like coming to the truth that American markets are valuable
    and :flagus: should treat them as such.
    Not freely given away to the detriment of working :flagus:

    Trump has initiated the call.
    Will it be lost as was Perot or will "we the people" hear it above the
    opposing media & entertainment blitz.


    What part does Moi have incorrect?







     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh goodie a pool. I'll take 75% incorrect. Let me know if I win.
     
  5. Moi621

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    Don't pay him no mind World,

    he's :flagcanada: trying to pass.
     
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  6. LangleyMan

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    Your posts look like a ransom note. You don't seem to care much about talking about real issues.
     
  7. Moi621

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    Before circa 1970 availability to the :flagus: was treated as a valuable asset.
    We had tariffs. After '70, "most favored nation" status was handed our like cheap candy.
    Today :flagus: further gives away one of its' most valuable assets.
    Access to the :flagus: market.

    And that's the way its is . . .

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    Draco finally, "gets it". #27
    I always thought your Hyper Anti-Canada stance was more comedy than anything else. But after looking at a lot of your posts and seeing what is going on trade wise, I had no idea how much Canada actually takes advantage of a lot of the trade deals we have going with them.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...oming-to-an-end.523447/page-2#post-1068529601

    Anyone else open enough to consider the obvious.



    BTW my Uncle had a business in L.A. "Freight Traffic Engineers".
    What he did was get a clients tariff papers in order for easy transit from L.A. Harbor to market.
    Some of his major clients were Japanese companies trying to sell their product in :flagus:.
    I remember a story some company tried to hire their own but found my uncle better.
    I never fathomed what he did until "Free Trade", and its' effects.


    :rant: Stop giving away the :flagus: market. :rant:
     
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    "He knows"....as in...been here? Or just read about?
    The reason I say is that I own some property there, and I have roots through paternal side to canada.
     
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    Or is the character, "real".

    Thank you for the acknowledgement.

    So how do you feel about Murder by
    :flagcanada:

    LouisRiel-1.jpg




     
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    They hosed him. Back in the day to the WASP establishment in central canada Riel was a half breed rebel, end of story. History has rehabilitated him to some degree. He is a canadian legend so he's got that goin' for him I guess.
     
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    Y'think zoom_copter66 knows? ;)
     
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    The only place he may be a legend is in Manitoba, where they have a day off in Feb for him, no one else cares in the rest of the country;).
     
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    He is a legend. one of many.

    And we have revised our views on the past, especially our treatment of the first nations. Our biggest shame as a nation is the residential school system. That generation of Canadians abused the crap outta those kids and screwed them up real good. The road to hell and all.
     
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    My wife and I lived in Louis Real House when I was attending Simon Fraser University. But you're right, not much attention is paid to Real in most of Canada.
     
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    My property is next door to MB, in SK.
     
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    It's understandable Manitoba with it's large Métis population would focus on Real.

    P.S. I have a ton of relatives in Birch River, Manitoba.
     
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    I don't know, he still gets pulled out every now and then, the dust brushed off and some current political/social point made.
     
  18. LangleyMan

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    Yeah, he comes up sometimes, especially when there's a discussion of Métis treatment.
     
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    The economies of the US and Canada are integrated to the point of almost being one economy. Decreasing trade will then hurt both economies. The problems are not NAFTA so much as the disputes among individual industries. This is why there is so much bickering over the dispute resolution process. That is really the heart of the matter.
     
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    He is also quite big in Quebec - bigger than Pontiac, in any case. His fight was also the Canadian francophones' against central WASP governance, in many ways. They are naming stuff after him, like schools and streets. Everybody is familiar with the name here.
     
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    Giving extra-territoriality to private capitalistic ventures increases their power over our elected governments. Since NAFTA they are but whores to the open market. We also live faster, crazier lives, with everything being ephemerous and superficial. Capitalism is fine as a support of the goal one choses, not as the goal itself as far as I am concerned.

    But the real hurt will come from US-Canada relations. Canada has been part of numerous, debatable US ventures since NAFTA, notably on Israel - we're quite far from the idealized vison Lester B. Pearson had for Canada, one that put it front and center in terms of international peace maintenance and conflict resolutions - chances are that we will be more idependant now, and I can only cheer for that.

    I like the USA at its heart: It has an idealistic vision and a lot more freedom, a lot more control on their governance than we Canadians do. I envy them this and many other things. I like Americans as individual - they have that twinkle in their eyes - but since the end of the Cold War, they have been the bad guys on the international scene, the enemy, the Empire. Until things get fixed, I don't want to do anything with US hegemony in the rest of the world no more. Let's trade with Europe and Asia instead, if we must.

    I am truely sorry.
     
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