Looks like the U.K. will never be able to have freedom of gun ownership now

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah... and they can steal them from gun clubs. Why does that matter?

    People from all over the place comment on US gun laws - should that not happen?
     
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    UK gun laws requires gun owners to lock down their firearms in a safe, so it's actually safer to bring the guns home, than store them all at an equivalent safe at a gun club, where people could break in and steal them all. Especially since everyone and their mother know where that particular gun club is, and when there's noone there, while it's way harder to get the location of all the gun safes of all the gun club members.

    Requiring gun owners to store their stuff at centralized location will increase the probability of them getting stolen, and in large numbers, it will create an unnecessary hassle for the members, and will to nothing at all to improve safety.
     
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    In the US, such a requirement violates the constitution.
    Telling, isn't it?
     
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    In the US there are around 30 gun related homicides per day, telling isn't it?
     
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    Well obviously there would have to be very tight security measures at the ranges. Much tighter than people could have in their own homes.
     
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    And for each of those guns used in those homicides, 16.000,000 are not.
    To be clear, that's a ratio of 1:16,000,000 << sixteen million
    Somehow, to some, this equates to a problem with the number of guns in the US and the laws pertaining to same.
     
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    Gun deaths in the UK around 70 per year. Enjoy your rights.....
     
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    Which currently is, and always has been, one of the weakest arguments against private firearms ownership being legal. Simply because criminals may steal something, is not sound reason for denying legal ownership of said product.
     
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    I do. Every day. And I so do not living under the irrational fears of some of my fellow Americans (and most Europeans).
     
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    What's the rate of gun deaths in Russia?
     
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    What security? Armed guards? The costs would skyrocket, so who would pay for it?

    If the gun owners themselves, then it would be too expensive to own firearms for anyone but the top 1%. It's practically banning handguns all over again.

    Gun owners in both Britain and Norway are required to keep their guns in bolted down gun safes anyway. That's more than good enough as a preventive measure against thieves. And it's already pretty expensive and limiting to many people. A centralized Fort Knox for gun owners would be WAY too expensive, WAY too much of a limit on gun owners, and wouldn't actually do much good.

    And it wouldn't do any good, if any of those gun club members decided to shoot up some place, they'd take their guns home with them after a range trip anyway.
     
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    Sod it then, we'll just keep things as they are.
     
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    Which is resulting in more and more motor vehicles being utilized for the purpose of murdering others. Pray tell what is going to be done in response to this, since motor vehicles cannot be regulated in the same manner that firearms have been?
     
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    By Criminals.
    In Ghetto neighborhoods, areas of intense street crime and sales of illegal drugs.
     
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    Will those gangs also be required to store their illegally possessed firearms in a central location? Given that Heller explicitly protects the right of the citizen to maintain a firearm in their home for self-defense, how do you propose to take the guns out of the home?
     
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    Forums are not the place for those too sensitive for opposing opinions. I think that opinions will change over time when good people are intimidated by, well you know. As you welcome those people into your society with open arms, you will slowly see the need to be armed. I hope I am wrong.
     
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    that sort of makes it harder to shoot criminals or gun stealers coming to your home

    why do you want to make the lives of robbers safer? since criminals cannot own firearms legally, they certainly aren't going to comply with such a moronic law. Do you people who want to ban guns actually think about the consequences of the silly laws you want to pass?
     
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    Oh look, 5 more Americans wanting to divert the thread to talking about gun control in the US. Read the title guys then do one....
     
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    You keep mentioning the US statistics in your comments. Why is that? Isn't this a thread about the UK?
     
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    Then stop bringing up matters in the united states to suggest they are worse off in the matter.

    Beyond such, there isstill no response on the part of yourself as to what the united kingdom will do when motor vehicles become more and more common in terrorist-related attacks. They obviously cannot be restricted in any manner even close to what is currently done with firearms, so what course of action can possibly be taken to prevent someone plowing into a crowd with a legally owned or rented motor vehicle? What will come about from this potentially becoming a weekly occurrence? Are there any answers to be had if such were to become reality?
     

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