Lying for Islam

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  1. Trinnity

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    This is going on right now.....every day.

    While I don't doubt there are modern, peaceful Muslims, IMO they're in the minority.
    And they are afraid to speak out.

    You may not know about this, but it's for real......

    There is something called "Al-taqiyya", or "Taqqiya".

    It means "lying for Islam". Denying or deceiving "infidels" is permitted to protect the intent of Islam to create a Pan-Islamic Empire.

    I gave 3 cites for the skeptics who might think I was making this up. Sadly, it's absolutely true.......

    SO. Don't go hatin' on all Muslims. BUT, remember: Don't take them all at their word either. A devout Muslim is a loyal Muslim. Loyal to the concept in a Pan-Islamic Empire; what was once known as the Ottoman Empire. Deception is a tool.

    This applies to the G Zero Mosque. It is a traditional symbol of conquest.
    To assume otherwise is simply ignorant of history.

    And make no mistake. Muslims in America who DO NOT go along with the loyalty ARE AFRAID. They are considered traitors. They have a certain amount of protection because they live here. BUT they are afraid to speak out.

    THAT IS WHY they are not vocal. You may have wondered about this.

    Now you know.
     
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    Islam is a lie.

    It's a "religion" of hate, fear and death.

    Lying for islam is what Bobo, the Post Turtle, is doing. By islamic law and tradition he was born (Where we do not know.) of a muslim father, so that makes him muslim for life. The so called religion of islam recognizes no conversion to any other religion.

    Just remember all you liberal anti-American and anti-capitolists, you may think it is cute to support these muslim
     
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    And the left eats those lies up like candy. Go figger.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL .. you haven't got that right either.
     
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    Islam is a lie.

    It's a "religion" of hate, fear and death.

    Lying for islam is what Bobo, the Post Turtle, is doing. By islamic law and tradition he was born (Where we do not know.) of a muslim father, so that makes him muslim for life. The so called religion of islam recognizes no conversion to any other religion.

    Just remember all you liberal anti-American and anti-capitalists, you may think it is cute to support these muslims but they will kill you just as soon as they are finished with what they refer to as "useful fools". It's a "religion" of hate, fear and death.

    Besides that, they, these muslims, get really upset with me when they find out that I have a pet pig, a sow, that I have named mohammed.
     
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    'Tis true - I'd read this awhile back ... have been reading up on Islam/Muslim since 9/11 happened....

    Good thread and maybe it'll wake a few people up, but don't count on it.....
     
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    I believe this is a practice used by our "moderate" Park 51 Imam.
     
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    We don't have any dual citizen Arabs in the US.

    What you are effectively doing is lying to promote war that is completely unneccessary.. Like Iraq.
     
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    Please do tell us your correct version .....:bored:

    BTW, do you really believe that Islam is the "Religion of peace"?
     
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    Pan Islam notions went out with Nasser..

    And nobody but a few ignorant crackpots wants another Caliphate.

    The last one left the Arab world stagnated .. and brought too many screwy innovations to Islam.

    Trinnity... Where have you lived in the Arab world and how many muslims do you know? Have you read the Koran or any ancient history?
     
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    Preventing the aspirations of the islamist jihadists DOES and WILL require war,and the strategic removal of Saddam Hussein was but one step.

    NOTE: Iran is now flanked on BOTH SIDES by US-friendly ,newly formed democracies, and strong US military presence. That was no accident of circumstances...
     
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    Way to go guys.

    While some who practice Islam are violent, the vast majority are not.

    You guys all need to read "Dying to win" to better understand Islamic terrorism.

    And no, even in Islam, it's not about war. It is about tolerance and peace because if you guys actually read the text in Quran, Hadith, and Sunnah, you'll see what it preaches.

    Actually read about Islam, won't you guys?
     
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    I doubt that he/she knows any SS officers either, but can easily conculde that their actions were evil.

    Your asinine idea that one must have "lived in the mideast" might work with the woefully ignorant; more sentient beings are able to reach accurate conclusions based on a preponderance of the evidence.

    We believe that there is an active, violent movement to establish a caliphate, because of all the active, violent actions of those telling us daily, that they seek to establish another caliphate. One need not to have lived in the mideast to be aware of such realities, nor need one commisserate with muslims , either.


    As far as "ancient history; islam isn't that "ancient", having been dreamt up by its bloodthirsty founder in the 7th century, out of envy at not being a member of the Chosen People.

    Islam is nothing more than the psychotic result of a man driven insane by his Hebrew-envy.
     
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    Be careful.. No one in the ME, except Israel, wants war and neither does the US.
     
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    Coy lies and propaganda that prey on the West lack of knowledge is not healthy for the US and is detrimental to US interests.

    The Arabs are not a Master Race, nor are they concerned about the Chosen People.

    Remember, Abraham had a half dozen other sons by Hagar and Keturah... and their temple to the God of Abraham is still standing after 1300 years.
     
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    THe later writings of the Qur'an, by the bloodthirsty Mayor of Medina,and the Hadith, BOTH espouse the forced submission/conversion/killing of ALL "infidels", even "people of the Book" )aka:Christians and Jews.

    It looks like YOU are who need to do some reading:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm


    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."


    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


    Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."




    There are OVER ONE HUNDRED SIMILAR VERSES in the Qur'an,and as far as the Hadith:




    Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."


    Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)."


    Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah


    Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."


    Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"


    Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”



    Etc., ad nauseum.

    AS I stated: it clearly isn't US who need to "read the Qur'an and Hadith"..is it?
    Pretty obvious WHO KNOWS WHAT....
     
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    I'm sure that the islamists would much rather we queitly submit, instead of putting up the fight we are engaged in against them; people in hell want icewater,too.
     
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    The Koran spells out the conduct of defensive war..... You might do some serious reading in context.


    Its NOTHING like the mandate in the OT to kill all the Canaanites down to the livestock.

    Saladin (a Sunni from Tikrit and the Teaty of Omar are excellent examples)

    http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/174282-ancient-arabs-ancient-history.html
     
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    Thanks for the propaganda. Not buyin' it.
     
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