Macron vs Le Pen

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  1. cerberus

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    There probably are; trouble is that they're guilty by association with Islam. In other words, if they didn't support Islam then Islam wouldn't exist. QED!
     
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    Some talking head on Daily Politics yesterday accused Marine Le Pen of being 'a fascist'. Nobody will be surprised that the accuser is none other than Zoe Williams, a journalist who works for - wait for it . . . The Guardian.
     
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    Not exactly

    He apparently has two plans and very much from a different mindset than Le Penn or Brexit.



    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2017/04/21/what-would-a-melenchon-victory-mean-for-scotland/[/quote]
     
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    Well, what is plan B's Mélenchon's Frexit all about?
    How does it differ from Le Pen (who I don't want) and how does it differ to Brexit? - To leave the EU but to ease austerity by trading with all those willing?
    Bare in mind, Mrs. May has went on record to aim for a global Britain/free to trade Euros.

    Since Brexit happened, this is what UK's asking the EU for, in return they want to secure freedom of movement but keep the UK bound by some sort of EU law and court of justice.

    Mrs. May didn't campaign for Brexit, on the contrary, she was a 'Remainer' and that's why she got the job as Prime Minister to ensure both Brexiters and Remainers remain happy after her predecessor quit and no one knew who would be running the show / it / Brexit / starting Article 50.
     
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    No Mélenchon want to reform Europe. What he says ? We have to reform the european union because it's not bearable for a lot of countries in the union, mainly the one from southern europe. It brings only more poverty. We voted for Maastrich because it was a promise of economical growth, of prosperity. Then the european constitution was accepted against the will of the french people who voted against that. He just says, we have to reform the european union, because we belive in the european union project, but the nowodays union is not bearable for french people.
    But we can't negociate change with germany if we don't have something to negociate. If we says "European union change or we will do nothing", by the way, nobody will be willing to negociate with such a weak negociator. He says simply "either European union accept to negociate, either we quit"
     
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    I am only going from that article which is written from a Scottish perspective and basically that is what it says.

    However my understanding of that would be that he is wanting out of the Euro due to the demands put on being a part of it for austerity. I am not sure exactly what is meant by this
    (never learned economics)
    It looks like that is the first choice - basically to come out of the Euro and for the Euro Bank to work in a way which also does not support austerity.

    If that worked that would be put to a Referendum.

    If not a Referendum on leaving the EU. However unlike Le Penn his interest for leaving would not be Nationalism but would be to get out of austerity and work in co -operation with other European States who wish to align on this level - going on a more Keynsian model. His wish is to change the EU's neo liberal model of working. There is already DiEM 25 working on this https://diem25.org/ so there certainly is already a starting point of interested people.


    I haven't heard that one. Is this some idea she has about trying to keep London as the finance centre of Europe. Think that has gone.

    On the other hand as the article is focused on, he is very strong for Scotland. Maybe his way would leave England and Wales more isolated if they continue to want to be divorced from Europe. It may be that England and Wales see a stronger unity with the US, whereas Scotland and indeed Ireland, possibly a united Ireland with Europe.
    Mélenchon seems more interested in a rejuvenated EU, one that more suits the people than Le Penn's desire for Nationalism the English desire to be out of the EU to be 'great again'.


    Right so this is about keeping London as the Finance Centre of Europe? May has already made abundantly clear she will have nothing to do with freedom of Movement. She has also said she wants nothing to do with the EU court though I heard she will need to if she is doing much business with Europe.

    Well she kept very quite but the one video I have seen of her talking about it, she said it would be disastrous for Britain economically.

    Well I would say if that was the idea she has failed abysmally. She has got in with the hard right Brexiteers and is promising a hard Brexit.
     
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    Well that presumably is him talking to the crowds. ;)
     
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    Melenchon is an extremly smart man, he have a lot of good ideas. The problem with him, like a lot of leftist, it's he is too slighty delusional.
     
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    In what way delusional. The problem is Neo Liberalism and Corporate power and that is just going to get worse. That is what needs addressing.
     
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    I wonder if Le Pen'll win?

    It's being predicted by those who successfully predicted 2016's results.
     
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    Macron is just a doormat for Merkel. He is for accepting everything about EU, he claims that french people "betrayed" german by not accepting the EU treaty.
     
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    She has said that all those on the intelligence services watch list will be deported whence they came. Seeing that there are 1500 of them, that'll save the French taxpayers quite a few euros. Plus it's the obvious thing to do because they're subversives and traitors who want to kill their fellow countrymen, so why wait until they do? DUH!
     
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    Here is an interesting introduction to Mélenchon

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...n-luc-melenchon-france-presidential-candidate

    The above makes it clear what was been spoken about here
    Currently the European Bank lends to banks first at 1% - they then lend at an increased rate to Governments. He says let the European bank lend directly to Governments at the 1%. Sounds sensible.
     
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    If France elected Mélenchon it is difficult to imagine any one who would have a stronger voice negotiating with the EU. Without France most people think the EU is gone, so surely there could not be a stronger person than the President of France to get the necessary changes needed in the EU started. This obviously is particularly true because his psychological perspective is on Union not nationalist disintegration.
     
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    I think she will. On second tour. :blowkiss:
     
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    Better than suicide by Islam.
     
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    Considering she's at 30% to her potential opponents' 60% for the second round, it simply won't happen, unfortunately.
     
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    Nobody said Le Pen would be good for the UK, just that she'd be bad for the EU.

    If she doesn't make it, there must be other ways to tare down the walls in Brussels.
     
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    It's France.

    If that's what the French people want, then c'est la vie.
     
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    Macron said France betrayed the EU for not siding with Germany; and Macron even went as far as to say that France has no culture.
     
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    Macron are Socialist perhaps and want to stay in EU.

    Le Pen are racist and want to leave EU and NATO.

    And build Fascism in France.

    A big police force like last 10 years or grow better.
     
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