Made in God’s image. Yuk. Not me thanks.

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  1. Greatest I am

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    Made in God’s image. Yuk. Not me thanks.

    Yahweh, it is written, created us in his image.

    He is described as a vile genocidal and infanticidal god, a demiurge to us Gnostics Christians, and is responsible for a religion that has become homophobic and misogynous and who grew Christianity by inquisitions and murder.

    This is not surprising given that so many of Christianity’s moral tenets are immoral. Christianity lacks moral tenets with which to convert. It takes pressure and force to believe the weird Christian take on the otherwise decent Jewish beginnings of their religion and god. Christians should have usurped some decent god as without Midrash, Yahweh is more like an evil Satan than a good god.

    If you think you are created in Yahweh’s image, and able to do his evil and good deeds, are you happy about it?

    If you do not think you are up to Yahweh’s evil ways, are you happy about it?

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    DL
     
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    I’m not new. I just haven’t been in here for a while...
     
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    Good to see ya, cougar

    Welcome back to the lunatic asylum … er, I'm mean the religion forum...
     
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    The God I know is holy, in whom there is no fault. And I know nothing immoral about Christianity beyond the imperfections and sinfulness of man.
     
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    You see holy in a genocidal and infanticidal god and his homophobic and misogynous religion.

    Thanks for showing us that you are a Satanist.



    Regards
    DL
     
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    Who created such vile natures?

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    DL
     
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    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    I believe that we are born innocent by God and our own choices in the pre existence. Then we become corrupt by Satan and our own choices in mortality. That's why Jesus Christ taught that we have to be born again thru faith in him, repentence, and baptism. But it is all a very personal matter between one and God. Not thru these shallow words on a forum.
     
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    The concept of being "born again" seems rather offensive to one's mother. I think she did a rather fine job. Don't need a do-over.
     
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    Who created us susceptible to corruption by Satan?

    Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

    That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

    But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

    If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

    Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

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    As to your immoral reliance on a scapegoat Jesus.

    Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

    Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.

    If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.

    These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.

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    DL
     
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    Now now. Remember that children or the reborn are a lot easier for the lying preachers to fleece.

    Adults tend to think and know when they are being conned and lied to.

    That is why the liars want to get to our children early in life.

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    DL
     
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    It's your life. Do what you will.
     
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    I will not be the moral coward you obviously are.

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    DL
     
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    Your Mother dressed you in clean clothes. When you soiled them, she washed them and dressed you in clean ones again. She did this repeatedly for years and years. Dishes have to be washed, dinners made repeatedly, house repainted each decade, grass cut weekly, bushs trimmed seasonally, tires replaced on car, roads resurfaced, and on and on. So what is so strange about a spiritual rebirth when everything in life is about renewal. I suspect your Mom often fantasized about having to wash your clothes, make your bed, and cook your meal only one time, with you remaining clean, comfortable and full forever. With that in mind, I bet your Mother or anyones Mother would find peace and comfort in their childs eternal salvation. Rebirth isn't a stranger or adversary to Motherhood. In fact, she is her lifelong counselor and friend.
     
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    Did I say you are a moral coward? I'm pretty sure I said that your life is yours to do with as you will.
     
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    No. I did not indicate you did. You just showed that that is what you are.

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    Based on what.
     
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    Based on you ignoring my moral arguments and opinion based on the scriptures and responding with B.S. as you tuck tail and run.

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    DL
     
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    Yes that is a belief of the Gnostics! Or some of them. Yet the only book of the Gnostics that is relevant to me is the gospel of Thomas. It contains the teachings of Christ. Now the theology that gnostics came up with is not based on this gospel. But on other books that are suspect IMO.

    Yet the father Christ spoke of isn't the same character of the OT petulant dictator..So I can understand their belief.

    The god of job is a cruel mean bastard and cohorts with Satan! Lol

    Perhaps demon est Deus inversus?

    I think Christ was Gnostic. Orthodoxy is a corruption of the Gospel.
     
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    Now we are 3.

    Truth be known, we are the vast majority.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Born again refers to being spiritually reborn, not physically. Good grief! Just have to complain, don't ya
    Born again refers to being spiritually reborn, not physically. Good grief! Just have to complain, don't ya :rock_slayer:
     
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    I think you are reading in to the Gospel way too much nonsense. Christ was the Son of the Father, the Creator of the Universe. Jehovah of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament. "Gnostic?"
     
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    Sounds like an 8 year old in the school ground. No your aren't, so am I..... :nana:
     
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    Well put Brother Injeun... The Prophet Joseph Smith couldn't put it better.
     
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    Which of Christianity's moral tenants are evil? Love thy neighbor as thyself? That's evil? Really?
    Are you suggesting that Noah's Flood was genocidal? Only man can commit genocide or any other sin. Not God.
     
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    Yeah but the devil is in the details.

    And what he taught man is important since it was divine directions. Many of his teachings have layered meaning. A mystical bent. That even his apostles didn't understand.

    His directions to man is what can save man if followed. His death was a circus and saves no one. The idea of a blood sacrifice. What kind of god wants that? Not like Christ really died since he is eternal.
     
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