make America great like Norway

In case you haven't looked at a calendar lately, things have changed a whole lot since 1840. Skill trees were a lot shorter and more attenuated, and most involved a strong back and powerful arms. Entry level jobs were shoveling coal or busting heads and the like. You weren't taking customer orders and they already spoke English after a fashion. Add to that the fact they didn't have to deal with a welfare state trying to bust up their families every time they turned around. Compared to 21st century Latinos the Irish had it made.

 

Ever think we who love our flag don't want to be Norway.
Planes leave every day.. . Jestsayin

 

Nah they have way tougher immigration laws and not near as much space.

 

I support maternity/paternity paid leave, however, several industrialized nations, including the U.S., couldn't realistically/fiscally implement Norway's generous social programs.

According to my calculations, we would need to raise the top tax rate to 75%, and if we do, Canada's Immigration Department would end up fast-tracking a whole lot of applications due to the fact their top Federal/Provincial tax rate COMBINED is 45%.

By the way, Norway's interest payment on government debt; $8.9 billion NOK

https://www.statsbudsjettet.no/Upload/Statsbudsjett_2018/dokumenter/pdf/budget_2018.pdf

Per capita; 1,680NOK

Per capita USD; $198

U.S. FY2018 interest payment on the debt; $340 billion
Per capita; $1,043

Assuming our interest payment on the debt was $198 per capita

$198 X $326 million = $64.5 billion
$340 billion - $64.5 billion = $275.5 billion

Tell me Jake, if we had an extra $275.5 billion, how would you spend it?

 

Oh, time never changes for the regressives. You can have your minority opinion and confirmation science and mistaken sociology all you want. That does not change what Norway has done, or that American can do it as well.

 

nopartisanbull, why not give it to the uber wealthy like the tax cut that it is going to over $1 trillion shortly.

Recalculate your figures. If Norway can do it, American can do it and better.

 

Dude, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Differences in scale alone sinks the idea. Most of our states have more population and more ethnic diversity.

 

What a myth. I can't believe some folks still believe in fairy tales.

 

Irrelevant.

 

It's not a myth. It's all factual. Face it.

 

JakeStarkey said: Oh, time never changes for the regressives. You can have your minority opinion and confirmation science and mistaken sociology all you want. That does not change what Norway has done, or that American can do it as well.

You are babbling, garyd, nothing else. Your excuses are excuses not real reasons.

 

So why don’t you guys quit harping on it and do it? Oh, that’s right, you can’t. You have to force me to do it for you. There are all kinds of opportunities for you folks to practice socialism on your own accord. But you don’t. How many of you participate in cost sharing health care programs? How many of you have started coops or employee owned businesses? All I hear is how great socialism is. Yet nobody wants to do it on their own. That should be a clue...

 

Norway isn't socialist. With the exception of Statoil, government owns none of the economy.

As for your post. I'll address a few points.

1. Higher education is free, for those who qualify for the secondary education path that leads to tertiary education. The liberal vision of any person who want to spending years in college majoring in philosophy doesn't exist. This is why, despite it being free, Americans have a similar level of college attainment.
2. The mandated vacation in Norway is 25 days.
3. The tax burden on Norwegians is 50% higher than it is on Americans.

Finally, yeah, Norway is a nicer place than the US. It might be the nicest place I've visited.

Yet to most liberals, and Americans in general, it's just some far off place they'll never see. They don't allow anybody to move to their country, the population lacks the diversity liberals want, and they're very reliant on oil.

 

Show me a liberal who is calling for that. EVERY PLAN for public funding of higher education specifies "for those who qualify" and qualification means high enough grades and entrance exam scores.

No way. It can be up to 55% but that isn't half again as high as the U.S. But look at this case study:
https://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/comparing-tax-rates-in-the-us-and-norway.html

 

The choice on whether a student is eligible for higher education is made during secondary education. High school students who aren't deemed worthy are put on track to learn a trade. That's not a bad thing, but there would be no more Pell grants for high school graduates attending community college because they did poorly if our system was like Norway's. It's glamorized by American liberals, many of whom don't even realize they wouldn't be eligible for the "free" education.

You basically proved my point. Many thanks.

 

JakeStarkey said: JakeStarkey said: Oh, time never changes for the regressives. You can have your minority opinion and confirmation science and mistaken sociology all you want. That does not change what Norway has done, or that American can do it as well.

You are babbling, garyd, nothing else. Your excuses are excuses not real reasons.

Norway is not a socialist country, 557, so you need to come up to speed. So does tharock.

Your types were forced to do it in the 1930s and the 1960s, and you will be forced to do it in the 2020s. It will be ok, really.

 

No, it is a myth.

 

Where did these numbers even come from? The US poverty rate is 12.3, not 29% US poverty line = $29k Norway poverty line = $17k We've already discussed how much more everything costs there. If you are going to compare apples and oranges, at least use the same scales.

The average tax rate in the US is about 10%

I'm not even going to waste my time debunking the rest of that horse crap.
It's a meme meant for idiots who just believe everything they read.

 

You're going to confuse the OP. I tried pointing out a few misconceptions. But Norway is just a far off place that a person who posts 20+ times a day will never see.

 

I fully understand what kind of country Norway is. I’m sure you will keep trying. You may be surprised how things may not go the way you think. It is good to know force is intended. I get weary of denials. Thanks for your honesty.

 

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We only have 320 million because of idiots and welfare queens having all the kids they can to get money money.

 

Democrats understand this. This is why they love sin taxes. Tax something more and they get less of it. Subsidize, and they get more.

They know this, which is why they keep getting more homeless, welfare queens, and single mothers living in welfare hotels with nary a father in sight.

Democrats know this, which is why they keep pushing for this.

 

Fun fact, more developed countries have a higher cost of living, hence why the cost of living in the US is higher than most 3rd world and 2nd world countries

 

Wonder how much of that is higher wages versus how much of it is more expensive land prices.

Norway has some high wages but they also have high tax levels.
Then again there's lots of natural gas revenues pouring into the economy because the government has so much extra money to spend.

It would be interesting, just as a hypothetical experiment, to lock all those natural gas revenues away for five years and make the government run a balanced budget and see what happens to the country's economy.

 

It is not irrelevant what you can do with a relatively small pretty much culturally homogenous society the overwhelming majority of which lives in a handful of cities is going to cause major problems in a huge polyglot society scattered hell and gone across a continent and an island in the middle of the pacific.