Making America White Again

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  1. Guno

    Guno Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excellent analysis and historical context, especially in today's environment with the debate about guns and it's place in current American culture, gets to the real root of the issue




    The choices made by white men, who are prepared to abandon their humanity out of fear of black men and women, suggest the true horror of (their)lost status.


    "To keep alive the perception of white superiority, these white Americans tuck their heads under cone-shaped hats and American flags and deny themselves the dignity of face-to-face confrontation, training their guns on the unarmed, the innocent, the scared, on subjects who are running away, exposing their unthreatening backs to bullets."


    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/21/making-america-white-again
     
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    America is the only country that suffers fools that write magazine editorials like that.

    I do think you've opened the door for a good conversation, IF we can keep the trolls down to a minimum.

    America was founded by white men and Christianity predominated the thinking of the overwhelming majority of them. They pledged to each other their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor in defense of a nation built on the foundational principles of unalienable Rights : Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

    My forefathers believed that America was the New Jerusalem prophesied about in the Bible and they saw themselves as the Israelites. And, while citizenship was limited to whites, people poured in from all over the world, unlike any country in history and unlike any since.

    My forefathers created the greatest nation in the annals of history and with it came the blessings of Liberty. Certainly Freedom is not free. It was bought and paid for at a price. And today you want to make ridiculous charges against those who uphold those principles? Here is the thing: As much as I disagree with your position, I would fight to the death to help you retain the right to say it. In your position can you pledge to do the same for me?
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah, blacks are little concern here in this city. But if you enjoy traffic jams and being held back in stores, imagine our Chinese got to your city and moved in. I saw one black today at Smart and Final and she was the cashier. As the other 2 cashiers quickly moved their customers through their lines, she was so slow it was at least 5 to 1 in favor of the other cashiers. She had one speed. If felt like reverse. She was clumsy with customers money and part of the hold up was watching her keep counting the same money over and over. Smart and Final is a no membership discount super market. Very low prices. Full fledged market and not one of the .99 cent type stores. We have those too.
     
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    Race, Race , Race ... go to the indy 500 . I'm sick of all you racers...
     
  5. Ritter

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    The problem with America is that it was founded by a mishmash of different sorts of Europeans and therefore lacks a true sense of nationhood. This fact lead to the emergence of ethno-enclaves such as Little Italy, Irish ghettos, Norwegian communities and whatnot. True nationhood can never be based on race because there is so much more to "sense of belonging" than haplogroups. People do not care if they share the same skintone if they perceive their cultures as different. This is why "American Nationalism" can never exist.

    Furthermore, an "Us" can only be created if there is a "Them" and since America is such a ethno-culturally diverse place, people have always prefered segregation over integration. This is why the deluded concept of "White Nationalism" (which is a terminological contradiction) was born in America and only exists in America.

    If America had stuck to being an Anglo-Saxon project, this problem would never have emerged and people would not be so obsessed with "conserving whiteness". But, they chose to be Europe's dustbin and opened their flood-gates up for all sorts of European trash. Over the course of generations, exogamy became normalised and most modern Americans are just an ambigious ethnicity consisting of 1/10th of "this" and 1/10th of "that".

    Additionally, the non-whites never asked to be brought to the US and it is fair to say that slavery was not only a violation of the Africans' self-ownership, but also a clumpsy mistake that is comparable to "national suicide".

    I personally could not give two cents about race or ethno-nationality. The previous is rather - although mnot completely - irrelevant to organising a society (although homogenity is a bit more beneficial) because all that really matters is morals, values and culture. The latter (ethno-nationality) is predominantely a hoax resulting from the consyruction of the nation state; people always prefered identifying with tneir region, community over the nation.

    Multiculturalism as a happy "melting pot" is a sociological fallacy that has never- and can never exist because more differences always lead to more groupings and conflict risk. We this at even the most microscopic level as everyone tends to pick friends with shared values and interests ("culture", if you wish).

    I prefer not to elaborate on this any further because it is a very complex issue with many exceptions to the rule and alot of grey zones. It gets even more complicated when a massive government appartus takes on the role as supreme organiser and tries to intergate peopke using force and insufficient and expensive programmes and tools to build a happy "melting pot".
     
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    Well said. When you look at other outposts of English speaking western civilisation (New Zealand, Australia, Canada), they are either predominantly Anglo-celtic, or Anglo-celtic and French. Much less variation in the 'source material' of their white folk. In NZ, for example, almost all the white folk are effectively 100% Anglo-celt. Australia is not quite as 'pure', but is not far off. Both countries have only very small populations of non British Northern Europeans. Very few Polish, German, French, Scandinavian, etc. Neither country has very many Jews, either. The upshot being that 'British' culture is tangible - considerably more pronounced (I'm told) than in America.
     
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    Also, immigrant children are an ambigious ethno-cultural group as they tend to be squeezed in between two different cultures and identities. Becoming some kind of "neither nor" or betwixt and between. Although they may identify primarily with their place of birth, it is not certain that society will perceive them as such and they are not seldomly in conflict with their parents who try to teach them the values of their culture whereas their child gets cinditioned differently by friends, school and other institutions.

    However, second generation immigrants will find it easy to take on- and be accepted into a regional identity ("I'm Californian"), but most likely will be excluded from the broader national identity ("I am not American") and make up a national identity of their own ("I am Mexican-American").

    Of course, the more different types of immigrant groups, the more ambigious "second-generation-identities" ("Mexican-American", "Carribean-American", "Korean American" etc) which means more segregation, less inclusion and more conflict potential.

    Ethnic boundries are rarely fixed and often very fluent and contextual; sometimes a person might be x and sometimes they might be y and in some settings it might not even matter at all (during a game on on Yankee Stadium everyone is an "NY-fan"). Anyways, the point I am trying to make is that the more diversity, the lesser the integration the higher the conflict risk and, most importantly, the more absent the feeling of nationhood.
     
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    Whats funny is that the biggest killers of blacks and brown people are institutions of the democrats (founders of the KKK). Planned parenthood and the ghettos of democrat cities like Detroit and Chicago have killed millions of blacks and kept their populations stagnant. Not to mention democrat drug laws have kept blacks incarcerated and broken the proven nuclear family construct of having 2 parents in the home to raise the kids right.
     
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    I could make gross generalisations about blacks I suppose -- make them all out to be violent, trigger happy, or suffering from inferiority complexes. But, that would be stupid and genuinely racist so...

    Yawn.

    People really do need to exercise more restraint when it comes to this stuff. Personally I think you're labouring to square a circle when trying to pin gun ownership on some mental hark back to white dominance, and the perception that this is under threat. It's like mental gymnastics -- someone just running with the first thing that popped into their head because they're intellectually lazy.

    "Hmmm why do Americans want guns?... White Supremacy!"

    "That's your answer for everything."

    "Shut up fascist!"

    How much this feeling actually exists in the minds of white people is hard to quantify but I'm betting that it would never be supported by any kind of survey whatsoever unless that survey was strictly put to avowed white supremacists. Oh well.

    Good job!
     
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    Where would black and brown people have better quality of life outside white nations?


    It might be argued black and brown people division and are burdensome on whites.
     
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    If that's you in your avi, you're a whitey-brown man. Are you in the middle? Are you colourblind? My coffee kids are colourblind, but can't be anything else without dismissing one parent's identity or the other.
     
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    Personally, I can't stand this Irish and Italian scum immigrating to the US. They come from poor God-forsaken countries and engage in all sorts of crime and gang activity. They are a poor, ignorant, and criminal breed and the Germans and English are far better stock. We should ban immigration from Italy and Ireland. Whose with me!
     
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    Here we call it mixed race.

    Jamaican on my mothers side.

    You'll have to explain what you mean by colour blind.
     
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    How about make America Red again, and I'm not talking Republican...
     
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    You see, the white man went, called it America, when they could have had, they took, took land ownership with them too and was so dumb, called 1st nations in the US as well as in Canada, Indian.
    Like a gang rape theft murder slaughter.

    Sure, the Lenape, friendly and Sioux, politically great..
    - This goes against the white man and his concept of ownership.
     
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    I guess, as races, the white man and the red man, do have a bond.
    There's no word for Sorry in Navajo.
     
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    White women make some wicked choices as well such as in this case where a young white woman lied about being raped by black men:


    No Jail For Texas Teen Who Lied About Being Raped By 3 Black Men
    She has pleaded guilty, saying she made up the story after cutting herself and her clothing.



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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...207e4b03a8f3a22f390?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313



    ''{police chief} Burch said Harmon’s false allegations have hurt the community, especially its African-American residents.

    “Breana [Harmon’s] hoax was also insulting to our community and especially offensive to the African-American community due to her description of the so-called suspects in her hoax,”




    As everyone on this forum knows, police are trigger happy and only too eager to kill innocent black men on any number of myriads of excuses. Ditto for racist vigilantes. Thankfully, no one was physically hurt but this hoax could have had deadly consequences.


    Not surprisingly, this white female culprit will likely not spend any time in jail - big shame as she should have spent the next ten years in jail for this crime.
     
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    OP...I think that day is long gone?

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    If you are white, black, pink, or gray and live in America then you uphold those principles. Those who emigrated from other countries
    or who were forced to come here left their country because those principles were not being upheld in their countries or because there was not enough food to eat. If it was not for these immigrants, your life probably would not be as
    rich as it is today. So be careful what you wish for.
     
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    If I presuppose that what you say is true, then how do you explain the lack of "diversity" in pro-constitutional organizations? How come so many people of color support Democrats? I'm not saying Republicans aren't evil, but Hell it was the Republicans that illegally ratified the 14th Amendment only to be repaid by blacks defecting to the Democrats when Commie Martin Luther King got the bigger and better deal.

    BTW, I'm the only swinging Richard on this board that has challenged the anti-immigrant lobby. For me, it's quite simple:

    Whites did not start slavery, but the rest of the world wants to preach about "white privilege" so they can take from the whites

    The whites are dumber that dog poop (most of them) because they cannot grasp the difference between unalienable Rights and the benefits / privileges / immunities of citizenship. And so, both sides are going down the same path to the same destination. Soon tyranny and oppression will rule every facet of your life as well as mine.
     
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