Man dies after being shot by Atlanta police at Wendy’s drive-thru

I'm talking about deaths in police custody, which is at much higher rates than the rest of the developed world.

Don't you think that is worth looking at?

 

They don't like police, but they pass all these laws and expect police to enforce them.

It's mostly the same side who complains about police who got all these laws passed, the laws that were the reason that caused police to get into a confrontation with these people.
Half these laws that people get killed over, didn't use to exist 80 years ago.

I don't know what the solution is, but just something to think about.

 

It won't be good if the autopsy shows he was shot in the back (likely from the video I saw). More than just a Wendy's will burn.

The cop that did the shooting has been fired, btw.

 

It doesn't address my point about looking at training that leads up to the situation, not just the final moments of the altercation.

I don't have the answers - I just recognise that the rates of deaths in police custody / confrontations is so much higher than other countries that it must be worth investigating why.

 

Yes, it occurred to me, but it needs investigating rather than just concluding. And it also bears investigating as to whether the training of American LEOs tends to drive interactions towards deadly confrontation rather than away from it.

Absolutely. America is unique and exceptional amongst developed countries - and often in ways that are not good.

Possibly. The American justice system strikes me as much more focussed on punishment, vengeance and retribution compared with other countries.

If you are using "diversity" as a code word for immigration, race or religion, I suspect you haven't visited UK very often. I used to go from 2-6 times per year pre-Covid, and even lived there for a few years so I know it reasonably well. London used to be called (very unflatteringly) the sink-hole of the Empire because there were so many people from all over the world living there. It has been "diverse" for generations, particularly the larger cities. I don't see any real difference in this regard compared with USA.
And Canada has also had massive immigration in recent decades - including a lot from Asia, the Caribbean. And there aren't the same violence problems there.

That also could be a factor.

You raise some good points. They all point towards investigating WHY the police kill so many people in America. Not just ignoring the situation and continuing on with business as usual.

 

I've said this many times in the past here, but America is very different from all the other developed countries.
If America is viewed as a Third World country existing side by side with a First World country, a lot of the seeming "paradoxes" of America (relative to other developed First World countries) will start making more sense.

 

Lol, with the Third World being the progressives and the Conservatives trying to maintain the First World status. That's what this election feels like.

 

What should police do if a man they are trying to arrest, who is high on drugs, steals a taser gun from them and is running and about to get away?
(Keep in mind if one of them chases him and manages to catch up, the man can use the taser gun on him)

Do you think it would be any different if it was an actual gun this man had got his hands on and stolen from them?

 

So... wait to see if your partner gets tazed?

 

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The way the police are trained, trained to instinctively react, they probably reacted similarly as if the taser gun was a real gun, because they were not exactly sure how to act, in that immediate situation.

It's a lot easier to carefully think about a situation when you are doing so after the fact, not in the heat of the moment, when you have to maintain constant alertness in what could potentially quickly turn into a life or death situation. These officers oftentimes only have seconds to make a decision.

 

Dead guy's rap sheet? Looks like several charges from 2 incidents. Wonder how much time he actually served? Likely was on probation and scared a dui would get him put away again.

Stupid all around.

 

For the cop-sucking crowd:

 

The moral of these stupid stories is to follow instruction(and at that, obey the law from the start to not get involved in these things) and you'll be able to make it out okay.

 

Other way round.
Unless you think that “First World” / advanced country policies like
- universal health care
- gun control
- abolishing the death penalty
- free or heavily subsidised university
are Conservative policies ...
Do you?

 

Nah, these riots and mayhems are occurring in democratic-held States/cities, no talking out of that one.

 

I edited my post and you may not have seen it, but you got it backwards unless you think that “First World” / advanced country policies like
- universal health care
- gun control
- abolishing the death penalty
- free or heavily subsidised university
are Conservative policies ...
Do you?

 

They're not, and all except abolishing the death penalty(which I support) are difficult to next to impossible for a myraid of reasons. The failure that is the ACA as one small example should show why UHC died its death in America, it's never going to get passed by any legislature, conservative or Liberal.

 

I was just pointing out that you got your analysis backwards. Everything I mentioned are common in advanced countries. They are also policies that tend to be supported by “progressives / liberals / Democrats” - choose your label. So if there is a dichotomy within America, “progressive” policies look more like the rest of the developed world.

 

Their "proposals", not withstanding the unique factor in America's geographical makeup.(Again, taking health care as an example, the UHC program is basically a joint compact of all the European States, who by themselves are several magnitude times smaller than the US.) Thus it's easier, costs less, and has less overhead than a bloated country like ours.

When you add to that the Democratic resistance to Across-State-Lines(the only way UHC could get done here feasibly), and you've got a proposal that's DOA. To be a Liberal is to say "Wahh, I wanna be like Europe but I don't want to adopt the difficult things to be like Europe."

 

To be a conservative is to say you don’t want to be like Europe. Or Canada or Australia etc.

 

I sure as hell do not want to be like those countries.

 

Thanks for confirming that @AmericanNationalist got it completely backwards when he said

 

~ If you actually believe that BS you are not getting the facts. China has more poor people than they will admit. They paint a nice picture for tourists and travel reporters.
China should be called "The nation of deception "