Man who was sentenced to 50 years for sex with minor now exhonerated, because of dog

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  1. kazenatsu

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    A man who had been given a 50 year sentence for sex with a minor has now been exonerated and released from prison, thanks to a dog.

    At the trial, the girl testified that the man had threated to shoot her animals if she went to the police about the molestation, and she claimed she saw him shoot and kill her dog to make his point.

    However, after spending six months in prison, the dog that had allegedly been shot and killed has now been found, alive and well, casting doubt on the girl's entire testimony.

    The prosecutor in the case is still not certain whether sexual abuse actually took place, but it is now clear that the girl lied under oath about her dog being shot, which creates enough doubt about whether the rest of her story is true.

    https://www.pressherald.com/2018/09...og-that-victim-said-he-killed-is-found-alive/

    If it was not for that dog, the accused man would still be in prison.
     
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    It's the way of the world today. Men can, and are, being prosecuted absent any actual evidence, other than the testimony of the alleged victims. No evidence, no rebuttable witnesses, just statements. "He did this...." is now sufficient evidence to incarcerate.

    Of course, now, we're seeing the folly of following that simplistic approach, and justice has to assert itself again. We just cannot become the soviet union, where the accusation is the fact, and the accused disappear accordingly.

    For the ladies. If you are assaulted, don't hide it. Don't wait 30 years to "remember", go to the nearest hospital, and face it. If someone does you wrong, save the evidence of it so there isn't doubt. And even then, stop using law enforcement to cure your achy breaky hearts... getting dumped isn't the same as being assaulted.
     
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    I think a lot of these "me too" deals are initiated by women who feel that they got conned into bed with a guy and he bangs her a couple times, then bolts. I used to do it when I was younger and it is not very nice, but it certainly is not assault. You can really get hurt if you do it to a young Mexican girl. Take my word for it. However, in this day of equality and enlightenment, it is about time that women realize that our stuff is worth just as much as theirs is and quit whining about the old d and splee...Broads do it all the time too...
     
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    I'm okay putting men in prison based on the testimony of just one witness, but the prison sentence shouldn't be too long. In my view, the prison sentence should be based not only on the severity of the alleged crime, but also on the level of evidence.
     
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    Yeah... not so much. For either standard. I don't think Hearsay is sufficient.
     
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    And of course the girl isn't going to face any punishment for falsely testifying about the man shooting her dog.
     
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    And people call Mike Pence a misogynist because he wont be alone with another woman other than his wife.
     
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    Just today? When I was in law school decades ago that was the same standard back then. History shows that innocent black men were lynched just on testimony alone without the slightest evidence. And subsequent history has proven that many of those black men were, indeed, innocent.

    In fact, your hero Trump wanted to have those accused in the Wilding matter subjected to capital punishment. We now know that they were innocent. Too bad that the criminally racist white cops who we know were guilty are still free and living off the fat pensions given to them by taxpayers. They are the ones who should be lynched.
     
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    According to the article, he was already out of prison but facing a retrial due to some other procedural issue unrelated to the claim about the dog. That isn’t to say the evidence of the alleged victim lying under oath isn’t relevant but it’s worth noting which aspects of the case the media chose to spin up and which aspects they chose to brush over and considering whether they’re telling us what is most important or what is most dramatic. :cool:
     
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    Yep, and those in the Duke lacrosse house were pounced on by people like Al Sharpton by just an accusation.

    You do bring up another good point about how much power police unions have stuck it to the tax payers with the horrible policy of buying democrat lawmakers to give even criminal police their pensions. It really must be weird to be a democrat and rile against your own party for their past AND their present actions huh?
     
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    Seriously? You're asserting you went to law school? Did you ever graduate? I'm unclear what value you bring by associating an obviously unjust use of mob justice compared to the current conversation where legislation has created the conviction standards. Are you attempting to make a comparison between an unruly mob of democrats and how women act today? I doubt the ladies on the forum will appreciate the implications you assert.

    Do you suppose, given your legal acumen, that you actually agree that what we are seeing today is then, unjust?
     
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    Police unions have too much power with Republican law makers as do guard prison unions with Republicans to keep laws harsh so their work force have guaranteed jobs.
     
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    Nothing has actually changed. Lots of criminal cases will have been and continue to be based primarily on a victim’s statement.

    This doesn’t only apply to men. More men are prosecuted in this way (for good and bad reasons) but the process can just as easily be applied to female defendants.

    And how do you know there was no other evidence? Just because the case was dropped when the alleged victim lost credibility doesn’t mean there was no other evidence, only that they didn’t think they could secure a convinced with whatever they had left.
     
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    Obviously, the conversation was specific about the facts identified for this case. The general statement was limited to the group of cases that are similar. That doesn't mean that there might not be other places where these circumstances may also exist, the scope of the original comment was limited.
     
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    In what world do you live in. Unions, especially public sector unions, give almost exclusively to democrats.
     
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    Police and guard prison unions give almost exclusively to the GOP.
     
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    You missed the fact that I defended your position on how innocent men have been convicted on imaginary "evidence".
     
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    That is correct ~ they endorsed Trump.
     
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    Among the cases we studied in law school, there were instances of women going from state to state making up stories of being sexually abused and extorting money from the accused innocents or from victims compensation funds. This because of the anonymity of women under such attacks, even though where the victimization of these particular women were imaginary. The devastation to their male victims and their families were often horrific.
     

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