Manchin will support Democrats' reconciliation bill, allowing relief to move forward without GOP

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is sad that Republican leaders have decided to remain the party of ‘no compromise and no solutions’ that virtually everything must be passed among party lines or it stalls indefinitely. If they do not have the desire to govern then why take the position?

    Some items will have to be excluded due to the reconciliation, likely the minimum wage increase — which hasn’t happened since 2009 and currently stands at $7.25 per hour
    For comparison:
    1. Luxembourg ($13.78)
    2. Australia ($12.14)
    3. France ($11.66)
    4. New Zealand ($11.20)
    5. Germany ($10.87)
    6. Netherlands ($10.44)
    7. Belgium ($10.38)
    8. United Kingdom ($10.34)
    9. Ireland ($9.62)
    10. Canada ($9.52)
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wait, I thought Madame VP Harris would provide the tie-breaker vote in the senate. It's her rightful duty. Where does this Manchin guy come off playing the swing vote card?
     
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    You left out Nigeria, Zimbabwe, and Somalia.
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would be easier to understand the GOP position if they hadn't picked the additional $1400 checks as a weird hill to die on. McConnell made it clear that they couldn't abide those checks going to folks making more than $50k individually, $100k combined. Or the slight lincrease in unemployment benefits. They would have had a much more sympathetic position if they'd said "look, the minimum wage increase and this other stuff doesn't make any sense. We'll get on board with the stuff that is temporary and immediately, directly useful (checks and unemployment, etc), but that long-term/permanent stuff is out." It would have been easy for Manchin to side with that argument.

    Libs have been acting like McConnell is some evil genious for the last 6 years (and I've bought into it), but it turns out he doesn't know how to do anything when he doesn't have complete power.
     
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    Chuckle?
     
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  6. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, pulling the race card. Very fast even for you. I guess that means you have nothing to add?
    Typical

    I could care less what the racial makeup the nation has, I have one and only one goal and that is to see America succeed — and compared to other first world nations we are not doing so well if you look at anything past GDP.

    Healthcare, infrastructure, life expectancy, happiness, education — but then again most of the nations I named don’t have to deal with a major political party that exists to do nothing but delay or reverse progress.
     
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    No chuckle. There's a 50-50 spit in the senate and Kamala Harris was advertised as the tie-breaking vote. I don't think she's been heard from since Inauguration Day are they hiding her away for some reason?
     
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    Get real.
     
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    Actually, just the other day 10+ Congressional Republicans were in the Oval Office meeting with Pres Biden about this very matter. Apparently the went in recognizing they were going to have to go along with certain things they didn't feel were justified and hoped to get Pres Biden to uphold his pledges of unity and at least urge Congressional Democrats to scrub some of the obviously non-relief uber-pork.

    Why does COVID 'relief' have to include so much freakin money for thins that have nothing to do with COVID? And if we're about to throw out TRILLIONS of dollars, including some of the most pointless useless progressive kid in a candy store splurging known in the game, then how come our cut, the people's cut, is so micro-small?
     
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    So there will be no bipartisan effort by the Democrats. There will be no real "unity". What a joke on the nation.
     
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    They have blocked the $15 MW and Schumer has had to burn his reconciliation. He only has 2 potential uses left for the year. It is a big win for the GOP. He is never getting that thing through as a stand alone bill.
     
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    Blocking aid to the taxpayers of this nation and refusing the very election security measures they have been screaming about is a “big win for the GOP”.
    Such a strange narrative.
     
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    He (and Kamala) sat with 10 of them yesterday.

    Seems they failed to persuade....

    Another skill the GOP has lost over the years..... Sort of a devolution thing....

    On topic, this is a good thing.... Something fast is always better than nothing slow...
     
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    You WANT to be compared to those countries?
     
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    A GOP win? Manchin indicated he'd support $11.00/hr. So...get to $15.00/hr in stages. For one thing, it only applies to the federal government and its subcontractors. Plus, it's already at $15.00/hr. in many major urban areas.
     
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    Yes blocking much of what the democrats were trying to force through without any public debate is a win for democracy. Now the democrats should take the time to actually remember how to lead and stop trying to dictate.
     
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    Yes the GOP won. Look at all the nonsense stripped out by reconciliation that have nothing to do with Covid relief.
     
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    The public debate was their election.
    The largest in the history of the nation by want the leader of the GOP calls a “landslide”.

    I would call your position hypocritical looking at what the Republicans did the last four years but I will give you the benefit of the doubt since you don't have post history for much of it.
     
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    not on the stimulus, both sides should just agree on this one, most Republican and democrats agree

    but republicans are free to join in (Biden won't demand to sign the checks)
     
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    Someone neds to explain "bipartisan" to you; it doesn't mean you win.
     
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    Biden believes he is still dealing with the Republican Party pre-trump. Once he learns that party is dead and buried hopefully he stops working on trying to bring them to the table and starts working on policy that he was hired to enact.

    Fix our elections
    Fix our healthcare
    Fix our institutions
    Promote science
    Promote truth
    Promote transparency
    Destroy trump cultism
     
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    I think the 10 GOP Senators could make another attempt to meet inbetween. I, for one, would be fine with the GOP proposed income limits for the stimulus payment. I would not get a check, but that would be okay with me, because there are people who need it a lot more than I do.
     
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    Wow. You should be embarrassed to lecture anyone with that sentence. If the majority party cannot negotiate to receive a single vote from the other party it's 100% partisan, which is what this is. There is no outreach by the Democrats.
     
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    There's too much non-stimulus, Democratic Party bullshit that just steals money and pushes hardcore Leftist agenda. There was no real negotiation or compromise, just like we said the Leftist Democrats would be... they are.
     
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    Bingo... I feel guilty getting these things when I know there are many others out there in real need, but my greedy wife shushes me....

    I think the limits are way too high to get these checks...
     
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