Many Newly Purchased Guns Have Design Flaws and Manufacturing Defects

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  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    "Washington, DC — As gun sales have increased over the past 12 months, few new gun buyers are aware that the firearm they’ve purchased may be dangerously defective or lack proven safety features (such as an indicator that shows whether the gun is loaded). A new study from the Violence Policy Center (VPC), Misfire: The Gun Industry’s Lack of Accountability for Defective Firearms, details the prevalence of defective guns sold in the United States and describes the failure of government oversight in addressing this longstanding public safety issue."
    https://vpc.org/press/many-newly-purchased-guns-have-design-flaws-and-manufacturing-defects/

    Each year my car must pass a government mandated safety inspection. How about a similar requirement for all guns?
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Name two defective guns sold in the last 12 months.
     
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    The VPC....wasted time going to the link and found the usual anti-gun mish-mash of wordy opinion masquerading as fact....WHAT A SHOCK! :D
     
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    I've lived in 4 states. None of them had a 'yearly government mandated safety inspection' for cars. I'm thinking thats not very common... nor do I want it to be. Trying to get the govt to protect everyone from faulty equipment is going to be very expensive. There already exists government certified safety inspectors for any and all types of equipment who will happily inspect your stuff for you if you hire them to. That combined with the hordes of lawyers who love to help people sue manufacturers of faulty products seems to me the issue is sufficiently covered. If we, instead, were forced to send everything that was potentially dangerous to regular safety inspection, efficiency of pretty much everything would nosedive (that is, it would all get a lot more expensive). ...or did you want to mandate this only for guns?
     
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    It's called "proof marks" from proof testing. I would elaborate but it's best to educate yourself.
     
  6. Galileo

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    Name? Guns don't have names. I proposed a common sense solution to the problem brought up in the article. Mandatory safety inspections could reveal that there are a lot of defective firearms out there.
     
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    It's very common in the Northeast.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection_in_the_United_States
     
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    Nonsense. Manufacturers of firearms, like other products, typically assign a unique model name to their products to differentiate them.
    It's a problem that doesn't exist.
     
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    Currently, lawsuits are the only way to legally force the gun industry to fix defects.

    "The gun industry’s lack of health and safety regulation also means that manufacturers cannot be compelled to fix any defects except by lawsuits brought by injured gun owners. Recently, in response to one such lawsuit, Remington agreed to replace millions of triggers in its popular Model 700 hunting rifle. Today, caveat emptor is the watchword for today’s gun buyer."
    https://vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/gun-product-safety-notices/
     
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    So there's already a mechanism is place.
     
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    Re: @Rucker61 request: " Name two defective guns sold in the last 12 months."

    Perhaps "identify" would be a more specific word than to "name" 2 defective guns on the market today. At any rate, your common sense solution is for a problem that doesn't exist.
     
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    My state requires them. Apparently 19 states require them annually or every two years. They can be a PITA depending on which place you go to. My guy walks out, looks around to see if he sees anybody suspicious, and says "Yep it's good" LOL. Pay him the $20, he puts you in the state computer slaps a sticker on it and away you go. I actually would rather he do an inspection to check the brakes and such but I do service my vehicles when I have any inkling of trouble and don't wait til too late to get new tires and brakes.

    Anyway, as for guns, all of mine are older low tech toys. As long as you keep them cleaned, its all good. The firearms community tends to push back all on its own against crap manufacturing. Remington took a hell of a PR hit because of that. I do have a remington shot gun that the pump sometimes flies loose but it is easy enough to get it back on. I don't use it much. Never started doing that until I loaned it to someone to go murder some clay pigeons. Not sure what they did to it.
     
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    Guns should always be considered loaded. When guns have that indicator, it is not a safety measure. Instead it it used to make sure that a round in in the chamber and that one doesn't needlessly rack the firearm losing a bullet and time in a possible self-defense situation.

    A loaded indicator should never be used as a safety measure. Even if a loaded indicator specifies otherwise, the gun should always be handled as if it were loaded.

    The primary safety all guns have is the trigger. When you pull the trigger, bullets fly out. If you don't pull the trigger bullets stay where they are.

    If a gun have a manufacturing or design defect (P320) which allows the pistol to fire without the trigger being pulled, the manufacturer is fully liable for any damages which occur.

    Regardless, the article shows how little gun-grabbers know about firearms or firearm safety.
     
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    The only guns I've fired without first taking them apart and seeing how everything worked (and making sure everything is well oiled, deburred and functioning properly) are other peoples guns. Its mostly just because I get some sort of jollies about witnessing mechanical processes and comparing what I was expecting to see happening vs what is actually going on... but also partially because I no longer expect things to have been made well.
     
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    Uearly car inspections are a scam. Guns are simple machines and the VPC is a gun control group that puts things out like this for people that know nothing about guns.
     
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    More BS from a well known anti-gun propaganda machine.
     
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    You didn't propose anything, you parroted something you do not understand.
     
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    If people need an indicator to know if a gun is loaded, they are defective, not the gun!!! How stupid.
     
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    Ummm no. You’re just looking for ways to make gun ownership difficult. The constitution also does not give you a right to a vehicle so it’s a poor comparison
     
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    Lmao!!! Seriously that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time. Sounds like you need some education

    the Henry Mares Leg
    The Henry Original
    The Henry Axe
    The Henry Repeater
    The Marlin 1895 SBL
    The Marlin 1894 SBL
    The ShadowTrax8
    The AR-15

    how many more you want
     
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    According to the VPC. Never heard of it until today. Has a similar feel to it as the FRC.

    So I don't believe the claim. It's just fear mongering.
     
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    Vehicle inspections are a ruse on the behalf of baby-bolshevik-despots (i.e. progressive liberals) to confiscate other people's money.
     
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    The fixes SIG introduced. Pretty neat. In case you were interested.

     
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    According to this, you need to have your toaster inspected at least on an annual basis.

    What are the Most Dangerous Appliances in Your Home? (liljegrenlaw.com)
     

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