Marchers ask Trump to ‘liberate’ Hong Kong

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  1. lynx

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    China does enrich a lot of people and families in both foreign countries and in China herself, from working class to middle class, to upper middle class to super rich. China also raise the standard living up for American poor class. Change their lives. But I won't give the credit that much to the government, but the credit should go to the Chinese labors and workers.
     
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    China lowers the standard of living in America by taking jobs away from working class people here
     
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    China only take away the manufacturing jobs, didn't take away the service jobs. And in return, at least you get very affordable goods for many different working classes of people. It really benefit a lot of families that are poor, people used to buy second hand stuffs, they don't have to anymore. If the microwave break down, people don't have to budget their meals or do any sacrifice to buy another, because you can get one and cost about 30-40 dollars instead of 100 200 dollars, the families have a choice and the microwave lasts for a long time.

    The money they save, they can spend on some good steaks or more expensive health food for the families, or better clothing etc. this in term, raise up their standard of living, the poor can live very good here in America, the working class live like the middle class compare to other countries standard.

    Let's just be fair, Chinese goods do benefit a lot of people. That I give credit to the labors and workers.
    Not to mention, quite a lot of American workers open their companies doing import and export with China and change their lives. They become owners instead of just a worker.

    And America suppose to turn to a service nation when they gave up her manufacture sector. I don't understand why they outsource the service section too. This-- i really think is the real problem. someone was lying to the people when that period happen. Because America families want the service jobs more than the manufacturing jobs.

    And what does American get when the service sector given to India? Terrible customer services and some harassment phone calls. This lower and decrease American people's standard and quality living.
    And no people complain, I wonder why? At least China gives you something good in return.

    I just want to say something more fair, it's not fair to direct all your anger to China. China didn't take away ALL American working class jobs. And China does raise the standard living for a lot of Americans everyday.
     
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    People were flying British & Canadian flags a week or two back, I'm betting that media you consume didn't report it. No self congratulatory pats on the back to be had or pro-Trump headlines to be generated.

    Anyway, I'll let you get on with the circle jerk. What flag people in HK run around with will make no more difference to their fate than whatever narrative you want to make of their fate for your own sad little political ends.
     
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    Yes, hope that hope works.
     
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    Thanks for nothing

    But I suppose Americans can at least pull chinese tourists in rickshaws (that are made in china)


    China is a mercantilist nation with a plan to dominate manufacturing all over the world and particularly chinas number one enemy - America

    Why are we china’s enemy?

    Because America is the only country that can rival china
     
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    To put down protesters? You're right. But if HK takes up arms and fights an actual battle, the utter devastation to corporate interests will trigger sanctions, diplomatic isolation and some level of intervention.
     
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    Does HK have many guns and much ammo?
     
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    Good then. Let the Brits and Canada deal with it.
     
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    reverse is true, we want to keep #1 position that's why it doesn't matter its china or india, as long as they can challenge US dominance, they are enemy its the cold war zero sum game. but today there are many emerging country, brazil, india, china, the world become more of multi-polar world.
     
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    It does matter

    India is not a communist dictatorship

    And it has shown no intentions to dominate the world or do a thing that could lead to war with the US

    China OTOH qualifies on both counts
     
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    That's what was said about the America Revolution. But it succeeded, spectacularly.
     
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    No one is going to 'deal with it'. Not the US, Canada, UK or anyone else. No one who has the slightest acquaintance with reality expects any other nation to 'deal with it'. China will 'deal with it' in whatever way they so choose and there is stuff all anyone can do about it.

    All waving those flags does is makes it easier for Beijing to argue that this is all some great US plot to destroy China & the protesters don't have genuine grievances. Sadly a lot of Chinese citizens will lap up pretty much anything the government tells them as long as it conforms to some pre-existing prejudice - a bit like watching Trump supporters on these boards.
     
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    So...still good then.
     
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    lol :clapping: very funny. Genius.


    China wouldn't dare to "dominate" the world, if she really has such intent, it will not be through manufacturing, but through AI and 5G.

    The right wing in China may has such thought, but i believe they are still being suppress right now
     
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    Or the UN. Seems like a good time for them to prove its worth. (Just kidding!)
     
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    Why has ideology got to do with paycheck? Whether India a communist or not, American families still need these service jobs.
    I don't understand why no people complain about it. Just because India didn't seem to challenge America's world status?
     
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    I think some of the kid protesters obtain the idea from it, they are trying to mimic the America Revolution, they made slogan like The time of Revolution, restore glory to HK, something like that.

    HK is not America, HK is too small, and China is not Britain, China is way too big for HK, And HKers has no guns, they can't fight like the American did.

    No guns, no revolution.
     
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    Does Britian still think HK should belong to them?
     
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    Well, India does want to dominate the pharmaceutical and IT industry, but by knowle
    I am counting on the best within us preventing another Tiananmen Square, in the same way it saved Rahaf Mohammed.
     
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    AI and 5g are the next step in chinas plan to rule the world

    A plan that is paid for by manufacturing
     
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    I dont know what country you are in but you obviously dont know the difference between a democracy and a communist dictatorship
     
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    I doubt it, but they are the relevant colonial power. After all, if it weren't for the Brits, the people of Hong Kong wouldn't have any ideas of freedom and liberty.
     
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    dude india has same ambition as china if not more, the only reason is they are like china in 90s. currently don't have the resource to expand. remember in 70/80, we were selling top shelf weapons to china to counter USSR. you are naïve to think china is still a commy like define in soviet era, they are state capitalist. When india become powerful, they gonna want to push both china and US out of india ocean. india does not want to be a little brother like japan, they have their own ambitions. any country with population of china or india, when they grow, they gonna expand that means challenge the current dominated power. both china/india need import resource(oil, gas etc), which mean they need to have a blue navy to secure those resource.
     
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    right this is the country still has caste system ;) and has out of control issue on treating women. just a word of advice there is no permanent friend or enemy, just permanent interest.
     
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