Margaret Sanger

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  1. Junkieturtle

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    I don't and have never supported any type of segregation or forced sterilization. I applaud Sanger's work in optional consensual birth control, including abortion, but not in a forced or targeted manner. My position is and has always been a matter of choice and that the choice should be up to the mother in each situation. Not you, not the Catholic church, and not the government.
     
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    Sanger did, in fact, champion forced sterilization UNTIL she realized that it would only take a few enlightened Negro leaders to nix her plans so, she hatched another plan to propagandize Negro ministers (knowing that blacks trusted them) and use them as her surrogates to spread her message.

    The same thing is happening now as our children are propagandized by government curriculum to be sexual.
     
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    AGain bravo and again you are right. Today we embrace anything sexual. They even make thongs for little girls…..
     
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    The government doesn't support that. That is the media outlets and entertainment companies. The government is not in charge of popular culture.
     
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    And the Negro ministers did her bidding completely unaware they were aiding Sanger in her plans to destroy their race?
     
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    Yes because she presented it as family planning. Same as today with PP. It's a ruse to get the 'feeble minded' to accept eugenesis. The problem is the government is teaching our children (who are 'feeble minded' due to their as yet developing brains) that there is nothing wrong with under-age sex and is offering secret abortions to little girls. It is a travesty. The already brainwashed adults just accept abortion as part of the 'natural' way and stand in line to abort their would-be children with glazed eyes and smiles on their faces.
     
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    So basically, what you're saying is things are the way they are because of an elaborate ruse by the government to brainwash adults into liking abortion and brainwash kids into having sex?
     
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    And who are the "feeble minded" who are so easily tricked into accepting eugenesis?
     
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    Our schools are state run….and the Democrats call the shots. That means that all our kids are getting a liberal, anti-American, history rewritten….education. The manipulation of values and beliefs of our youth is no accident. Who ever controls the minds of school children can change society. The academic Left has outlawed student expression of patriotism and faith….especially if it is connected to Christianity. Political correctness has replaced freedom of speech on our campuses. And yes…the lies taught to our children under the guise of sex education. All this is done without parental approval…in fact done behind their backs undermining their authority.

    Today its about dumbing down the American student…and we rank way down the list globally on education.

    The goal…..provide a minimal education to the masses in order to guide them into menial jobs that will serve the interest of who is in control in Washington. And while we might have Republican presidents….the NEA runs the show on education. And Democrats are in bed with the NEA.

    People need to step up to the plate and remember that the very heart of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights, is viewpoint neutrality……GOVERNMENTS CAN NOT RESTRICT FREE SPEECH BECAUSE OF ITS VIEWPOINT. And that is happening today. NO GOVERNMENT CAN PRESCRIBE AN ORTHODOXY ON ANY MATTER OF OPINION, …DOES NOT MATTER WHAT IT IS….POLITICS, RELIGION…RACE…SEX….OR GENDER.
     
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    Abortion is a lucrative industry supported by our tax dollars. THAT is what I am saying. Get a clue.
     
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    Got a mirror?
     
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    So are Nutty Bars. I just had one, and I may have another now since it was so good. Is Little Debbie brainwashing us as well?
     
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    Why? Do you need one? Women go to Planned Parenthood voluntarily. No one is "tricked" into going there for the purpose of eugenics. Only the feeble minded would believe that ridiculous assertion.
     
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    Nutty bars? Geez...it's worse than I thought.
     
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    Because women are not educated about this and they assume.

    Example. A great many women, people rather, donated to Susan Komen not knowing that Komen was a huge supporter and financial contributer to Planned Parenthood. And when this information came to light….just recently things escalated they found out they both were in bed together. I always knew this because I work in the field. So when I went to the checkout at the supermarket and they asked me if I wanted to donate to Komen…I said no and said why. People were shocked.

    so whatever agenda….open or silent PP has…..they will do their best to hide it. If you look at the facts however…most PP clinics are in minority, poorer neighborhoods. If you look at how many abortions are done on women…..what race is the highest? ARe you saying these women are more promiscuous? If you look at history particularly Sanger and the founders of PP….their actions and comments…they align with eugenics and killing of the undesirables to benefit society. History does not lie….and Sanger said and did what she did.

    Now you can accept history or deny it for what it was now or at the time…..but Sanger hated blacks….and she was crafty as was all the people in the day who hopped on the eugenics train…..one being Hitler….who admired Sangers work. That ought to tell you something right there.
     
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    Many more people were shocked to learn the Komen had withdrawn its support of PP. That's why there was a backlash and it was quickly reinstated.

    Not true, most PP clinics are NOT in minority neighborhoods. Poor women have the highest rate of abortion, and many poor women just happen to be black. The problem with your revision of history is that Sanger opposed abortion.

    You can attempt to revise history, but the record shows Sanger helped black women, at their request, to break the cycle of perpetual pregnancy. Martin Luther King and other black leaders admired her work. (Hitler burned her books) That ought to tell you something.
     
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    Cady SAID,

    "Many more people were shocked to learn the Komen had withdrawn its support of PP. That's why there was a backlash and it was quickly reinstated."

    OH YES THEY WERE. AND all over the country the numbers are down for the Komen walk for cancer and donation for both PP and Komen are down. It hurt both PP because it exposed their lies…they do not do mammograms……and Komen who did not make it that public that they were in bed with PP.

    The whole thing was a good thing….and it brought the truth to the surface. That you don't screw with PP because they at all costs will devour and destroy you. That is just how evil they are.


    http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/17...ations-are-down-for-komens-race-for-the-cure/

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/apr/20/registration-numbers-down-for-spokane-komen-race/

    http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/daily_updates/article_bbae227a-1c89-5be3-bc51-d34ae63d2b1f.html

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-04-15/race-for-the-cure-komen/54299486/1

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865554343/Fewer-people-signing-up-for-Race-for-the-Cure.html

    Need I go on ?…….what they did by caving in hurt them and hurt women because less money will go to breast cancer research. There are other organizations to donate to…and women are doing just that.

    This is the best thing that could happen….Planned Parenthood was shown in a terrible light….and that is a good thing. Maybe now with the millions of profit they make they will BUY MAMMOGRAM MACHINES. Their president can't lie…..anymore because she was exposed.

    "The six-story building will be located in the middle of four neighborhoods that are at least 80 percent black or Hispanic.
    neighborhoods. Poor women have the highest rate of abortion, and many poor women just happen to be black. The problem with your revision of history is that Sanger opposed abortion."

    http://prolifecorner.com/node/166

    Most Planned Parenthood offices in minority neighborhoods

    http://pcclist.blogspot.com/2011/09/most-planned-parenthood-offices-in.html

    Most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb.

    http://www.ppabortsaa.org/


    Revise it? No I am trying to bring it to light…to show our past history as the truth. You people are trying to change it…revise it, hide it…make it something totally different. You want killing legal and you will do anything….and I mean anything to keep it legal…and that means ignoring the truth. And the truth is what Sanger said…and wanted…her agenda the one Hitler modeled after her.

    "Hitler admired the work of Margaret Sanger, and modeled many of his Eugenics Laws after America’s. Coincidentally, Hilter’s director of the Racial Hygiene Society, Ernst Rudin was the same man that Sanger had previously commissioned for her own agenda, publishing his work in her magazine, the Birth Control Review."

    http://civicsnews.blogspot.com/2009/06/margaret-sanger-pro-choice-and-hitlers.html

    'Early on, Hitler was admired by many contemporary progressives in America like Theordore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, John Dewey, Margaret Sanger, Walter Lippmann, Herbert Croly and many, many other liberal intellectuals, artists, academics and politicians. Hitler, like many big-government progressives and social engineers in America, began his grand vision with the commendable desire to eradicate poverty. However, shortly thereafter he soon formulated a utopian plan to fix all social problems."

    http://www.spinchat.com/board/28/-/1d32
     
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    And most women don't know what is really going on. The same thing with Obama…..he said change…he lied and now look where we are. If you ask most women prior to the Komen/PP they would have said that PP did mammograms…they would have said Komen did not support abortion.
    But they did and it all came to light. And boy are they paying for it now.

    There are a lot of things women don't know.

    And one of the main things PP wants to do…is to keep it that way…keep women in the dark…they make to much on abortion. Don't show women ultrasounds before the abortion…God forbid they just might change their minds.
     
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    A politician said something and it didn't turn out the way they said it would? Shocking! I can't believe Obama was the first politician to ever do that. The gall of that man.

    Showing a woman an ultrasound before an abortion is pointless. They know they are pregnant, that's why they are there. I'm sorry, but you're going to have to actually back up your claims of an insidious plot by PP to get women to have abortions. What you've provided here couldn't even be called circumstantial evidence.
     
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    So you know for sure that EVERY WOMAN WOULD GO AHEAD WITH THE ABORTION IF SHE SAW AN ULTRASOUND OF HER BABY?
    NO ONE WOULD EVER CHANGE THEIR MINDS? yea right.

    Nothing I could say or prove or do is going to change you rabid pro-abort position.
     
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    Planned Parenthood's donations were UP after Komen withdrew funding. Your absurd claim that PP lies because it doesn't "do mammograms" has been repeatedly debunked. PP provides mammograms and YOU are lying if you say it doesn't.
    http://www.care2.com/causes/planned...crease-in-donations-after-komen-decision.html



    Komen was hurt, first because it withdrew its funding from Planned Parenthood, and secondly, the reversal (because of the huge outcry) angered the anti-abortion crowd. Komen angered both the pro-choicers and anti-choicers. Be aware, however, Komen administrators are famously anti-choice and many were suspicious about the timing of the "new policy," and the bogus "investigation" by Rep. Stearns.

    You found ONE Planned Parenthood clinic in a minority neighborhood? Is that supposed to support your claim that MOST of them are in minority neighborhoods?

    http://www.guttmacher.org/media/evidencecheck/2011/01/19/Guttmacher-Advisory.pdf

    Notice that 63% of PP clinics are located in mostly white neighborhoods. Does that mean Planned Parenthood is "targeting" white women?

    Revise it? No I am trying to bring it to light…to show our past history as the truth. You people are trying to change it…revise it, hide it…make it something totally different. You want killing legal and you will do anything….and I mean anything to keep it legal…and that means ignoring the truth. And the truth is what Sanger said…and wanted…her agenda the one Hitler modeled after her.

    "Hitler admired the work of Margaret Sanger, and modeled many of his Eugenics Laws after America’s. Coincidentally, Hilter’s director of the Racial Hygiene Society, Ernst Rudin was the same man that Sanger had previously commissioned for her own agenda, publishing his work in her magazine, the Birth Control Review."

    Please note the following so you will not repeat that lie:

    http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/sanger-hitler_equation.html

    Sanger was hardly an admirer of Hitler:

     
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    Who knows. But every woman getting an ultrasound before an abortion knows they are pregnant, and that being pregnant produces a baby. They know why they are there, and they know what an abortion is and what it's for. Some of those women have almost certainly been examined by a doctor previous to having the abortion, which may have included an ultrasound.
     
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    Evidence has already been presented by Grannie that no woman who viewed the ultrasound changed her mind about her abortion.
     
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    LMAO YOU USE THAT WOMEN AS A GAUGE OF THE TRUTH. LMAO LMAO LMAO

    I won't even comment…..just know what I am thinking.

    You have NO WAY OF KNOWING…….NONE….TO SAY YOU DO SHOWS IGNORANCE.
     
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    Clinicians' observations ARE evidence. Oh, BTW, the rest of us don't "know" what someone is thinking without being told. We'd be very interested in how you do that, but on the other hand, your record of accuracy isn't very impressive, so just forget it.

    http://womenslawproject.wordpress.c...ave-very-little-impact-on-abortion-decisions/

    And while research is far from over, preliminary results suggest that women consistently choosing to carry their pregnancies to term after viewing the ultrasound image is less documented phenomenon, and more pro-life fantasy.

    The majority of clinicians interviewed felt that ultrasound viewing typically had little or no impact on a woman’s decision. Some reported that the information gathered through the ultrasound was useful to women making their decisions – information such as gestational age – but the ultrasound itself was rarely a game-changer. Said one:

    I’ve never had a patient change their mind simply by seeing the ultrasound… just seeing the ultrasound hasn’t made anyone say, “Okay well, I don’t want to do this.”
     

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