Marijuana dispensaries save lives, new study shows

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). CF is genetic. Unless you are born with it, you can't "catch" it by smoking or through any other means.

 

Did Jack Daniels? Is Four loco?

 

I think, as an American, you get to decide what risks you take with your own body.

 

You and I have disagreed many times, but on this we are 100% in agreement with each other. Just reading through this relatively short thread, I am amazed at the number of control freaks who think their (wrong) assumptions about cannabis gives them the right to control others behaviors.

 

Pulmonary Fibrosis was what I meant to type and then it was too late to edit.

 

No. It is tar and it is much, much less than pot.

It is not tar that causes lung cancer, in fact they don't know the active ingredient....but nicotine is highly suspect, which is carried in smoke. Today most marijuana patients use a vaporizer which eliminates the smoke.....

Really, this is old, research has been advancing here, in Europe and across the world, and yet some people have to post un-researched drivel like this.

Fact:
Marijuana is being used in cancer wards to control pain; it is the most effective and non addictive treatment for nausea.

Marijuana has been proven in select cases to be effective in treating mouth and skin cancer, Marijuana oinment is being used to treat rashes and contact dermatitis, and we don't know how it works.

Marijuana is a leading treatment in mental illness, being used for depression, anxiety, and other maladies, it is a sleep remedy and an appetite enhancer for people on meds that take appetite away.

Health Canada has ruled the drug 'safe' and approved its use, the Supreme court of Canada, after hearing days of medical testimony has ruled it a valid treatment and that the government cannot prevent access.

It's time we put the 'pot fiend' thinking where it belongs

 

Ah, you are going to need to supply a medical opinion on that. That is something I have never heard in nearly 50 years of exposure...and it runs contrary to medical evidence. If men get "boobies" it is because their testosterone levels are tanking and they should quit masturbating and not pig out so much.

The myths and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about pot is incredible. You make (*)(*)(*)(*) up, pass it around and call it gospel and haven't read ONE medical review.

 

Just run your pot through your coffee maker, throw away the water and dry it out. Most of the bad stuff is water soluable and gets washed out. THC is not water soluable.

There used to be a machine called an Isomizer that was used to convert the lower forms of THC and the cannibinols to the desired THC Delta 9 molecule. The first step was washing the stuff through your Mr. Coffee.

 

No, if you should supply the link....are such an expert, supply the link....

But here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome

"This is only a proposed disorder as it is currently unlisted in the World Health Organisation International Classification of Diseases."

"reported in 98 cases..." but not one word about how many were tested. So out of millions of pot users, they find 98 cases, report it and they get a maybe...

Ah, that's alarmism. In fact, it is about as much of a nightmare to live with as too much coffee...

"These symptoms have been reported to be alleviated by taking a hot shower or bath or more permanently by abstaining from the use of cannabis...."

You take a bath

And oh, look at the page, it is challenged for accuracy

 

Much more sophisticated now....they break it down even further, and now have pin drops that are a full dose. The "harmful" materials in pot are not that harmful, and if you are concerned, simply buy a vaporizer, it takes out all moisture and the water soluble properties and leaves a clean, cool vapor.

 

Absolutely correct! And thanks for the chemistry on that.

As an aside, and I hate to use single "I know a guy" examples....but a guy I hired [ a step up program] had a bad case of COPD. He had pain issues and used tobacco heavily. As he was a recovering addict, he had few choices and would NOT go for the addictive meds anymore, and so he started using pot.

His COPD cleared up over the course of a year, he told me his doctor, who had signed the prescription claimed to have seen it before. Based on your post I figure there is truth in the story.

 

You ended up with hash oil using the Isomizer machine. You could just smoke or eat that. Or grind up to a fine powered some of the leaf residue and make hash. Or put all the leaf material and have it absorb back the now isomerized oil and have all your pot back. A water pipe does the same "washing" although not as effective as the coffee maker which also the heat converted the cannibinols, the stuff that gives pot the stupid effect, to higher forms.

The machine itself was like a coffee percolator except it was sealed because it used alcohol instead of water to xtract the chemicals presenting an explosion hazard unless fully contained. Then you recovered the alcohol, you replaced the basket holding the pot with a bowl, leaving the oils in the bottom. Hydrochloric acid was used to do the isomerzation process.

 

Frankly, I get lost in the chemistry, but a friend is a grower. He manipulates the strain for some kind of relationship to cannabinoids and flavinoids [I have no idea what they are] and from there takes it down to various edible and smokable forms. One is a toffee looking substance - "crash"? yellow in color and hard. A tiny piece, eaten, dissolved in water and drank, or smoked. He and his customers have these little pen-like machines that apply instant high heat, you get a burst with no atmospheric smoke escaping which I am told will last most of the day.

 

A person suffering of high cholesterol and high pressure died after eating a huge plate of shrimp.

On the other hand, it is hard to find someone dying because was drinking a lot of alcohol, unless the individual suffered of liver cancer or an advanced liver disease.

Actually alcohol brings benefit to your health when is needed, not so when you drink a lot for fun.

There are lots of painkillers that actually can make any pain to disappear from your body, but these painkillers will destroy your kidneys, so they are recommended solely for people who is dying and suffering of great pain.

Marijuana may provide lots of benefits as a pain killer, relaxation and more, same as it does the plant from which heroin is obtained. But, when heroin is taken as a drug for fun, we have a complete different scenario.

You can praise marijuana as a medicine when is prescribed by a doctor, but as a drug for fun the benefits are not considered. Besides, if you read the link I provided, you will notice that yes, there are negative effects when consuming marijuana.

To say that marijuana consumption is safe is a big lie, an infantile imagination, a poor understanding about drugs, a deceived campaign to justify its consumption.

Only the ignorant believes that marijuana won't cause negative effects in humans when used for fun.

 

marijuana is safer then Alcohol imo...

 

Yes, now this was all back in the early 80's. Since then the growers have accomplished through cross breeding much of the same results. It just kills me when I hear the ignorant, both liberal and conservative, talk about how pot is "10 times more powerful now so 10 times more dangerous" when in fact that just means you don't smoke a whole big fat joint anymore just a puff or two will do the trick so people don't smoke as much of it.

 

Yeah, kills me too.

I the 60's the average THC content was around 9%. today we have reached averages in the 20's.

What people don't know, is that unlike booze, you reach a limit and put it out. In the most extreme cases you fall asleep.

There are issues with edibles, made to look like candy. It isn't the THC that makes you sick, but the huge sugar rush and what all that fat and sugar do to your insides. Eating one brownie is OK, eating them all day is going to make you sick just like eating a whole bag of oreos.

Frankly, I know a cancer ward worker, a nurse, and he says marijuana is the easiest drug he can work with, there the "overdose" is actually what they seek...to take the patient out of excruciating pain and nausea.

 

So you are smoking or eating less which makes it LESS dangerous as far as those health concerns.

So when they get GMO pot will it have to labled as such

 

The award for biggest strawman of the year goes to....

 

To all those who think legalization will be great. It will inevitably lead to Big Tobacco taking over Big Pot. They have the money and the clout to do what Big Alcohol did.....corner the market. You can bet along with legalization "of use" growing your own will become VERY illegal. Having a "still" can land you in jail unless you meet all the regulations and have prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant.

You will pretty much have to buy Marijuana like you currently do with Cigarettes, from commercial growers. Of course like with tobacco, they will add fillers and chemicals and reduce the potency for your own good so you'll need to smoke a whole lot just to get a good buzz going. Once Big Coroporations and Big Government team up to get involved, you're not going to like the results. It happened already with Tobacco and Alcohol. The worst part is you'll never be able to go back again either. Big Pot (formerly tobacco companies) have the kind of money to pump into Congress to make sure you'll never go back. You'll see sin taxes on pot rise because the Government smells a new revenue stream and don't get caught with "non sanctioned" weed either, they'll put you in jail to the grave. Then there's a thing called "Property Forfeiture" which will work nicely when you owe huge fines and back taxes for growing your own that will surely be written in the national legalization law. Seriously, when was the last time you heard of alcohol or tobacco bootleggers? There's a reason for that. It's called regulations.

 

Labeling! Now that I hadn't thought of!

How long before they have to print a surgeon general's warning....?

 

I can brew enough beer and wine at home to satisfy what I drink if I were inclined to doing so. I can by BIG BEER beer or BIG WINE beer or independent brewers and winers stuff.

 

Lee, I've played hockey for a long time and saw a few broken ankles from taking on hard shots, but I never heard of a goalie breaking his foot when he has those special skates that protect him. What happened?

 

As long as beer and wine floats your boat, but you still can't distill Vodka. How do you thingk the "contains alcohol by volume" standards were set........regulation. You will see the same kind of regulations regarding THC content of Marijuana sold if it ever becomes legal nationwide.

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Me either.

 

And heroin is still illegal along with other narcotics, if we are going to use this analogy.