Marijuana should be illegal !!!

The only difference is you smoke one and drink the other. I'm sure you basically get the same effect.

 

I’m all for banning the most widely abused psychoactive drug. I

I’m all for banning the most widely abused psychoactive drug in this country. A stimulant in the methylxanthine class.

We’ve got addicts lining up to dole out bucks seemingly on nearly every street corner in America: pathetic losers.

This crap makes me nauseous and the smell wafts through nearly every building in the country. Worse yet, the smell of the bathrooms these addicts use. They’re barf inducing. IMO a public health crisis.

These hyped-up smelly caffeine addicts are a menace to society! We should start with the worst offenders, coffee addicts. BAN COFFEE NOW!

 

The "war on drugs" is not a war at all. It is a "handslap on drugs." This pansy crap needs to stop one way or the other.

Do one of two things:

1. Actually have a "war" on drugs. Mandatory life sentences for those violating drug laws, and death penalties for pushers.

or

2. Legalize the stuff and be done with it. But... no taxpayer help of any kind for drug users (if you want the freedom to use drugs, then accept 100% of the responsibility of such use). And if you harm someone while under the influence, you get the death penalty.

 

Interesting that the same thing can be said about guns.

 

Is it being suggested on the part of yourself that marijuana obtained from low-level dealers is not cut with potentially lethal additives?

 

The report is from August 2014. It became legal on January 1, 2014. They had a full seven months to evaluate the effects.

 

I make no such assertion and your premise is again off topic. This thread is to discuss legal vs illegal marijuana. The legal strains of which available in Colorado are so potent that there is hardly a need to consider purchase of such from a so called low level dealer. If anything you have just submitted an argument in favor of legalization: but then again, you argued that to begin with. My complaint with your post, always entertaining by the way, is that you seem to be asserting that a plant, however substantially it has been bred to maximize various flavors of experience, will result in children crying for their dead parents. Just silly, still waiting for your proof of death btw....

 

I think that those who want to make marihuana illegal should be rounded up and isolated from society.

 

The thread may be legal vs illegal. However, as far as I am concerned, it is a dangerous drug, especially for young people. It is hard to rationalize allowing a carcinogenic into your lungs and allowing the bi-products to alter your brain, permanently for young people.

 

You say this, but all the cited dates are prior to 2014. Did you find your information from the same place that told you conservatives are better informed?

 

Okay.

So are you good with my second suggestion?

 

I assume that is in jest. I certainly hope so.

 

And still no acknowledgement that you posted one report from a biased Con DC based think tank, citing a federal agency report operating outside the DEA to fight it's own special war on drugs.

You are outrageous with your desire to ban tobacco, alcohol and weed. Why stop there? Caffeine? Corn Syrup? Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll: AND GET OFF MY LAWN!?

 

I think that you are way off base.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ne...crime-rates-colorado-washington-1463622?amp=1

 

No. But I did read and know more than what I quoted. Colorado had medical marijuana long before 2014 and just about anyone who wanted it, could get it legally, if you call that legal. I know for a fact that you did not have to have a genuine medical need to get it. It was relatively easy to find a doctor who would accommodate you. I know this because one of my grandsons got it for a claimed back problem. Also in the article:
"As I reported a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that although overall traffic fatalities in Colorado have gone down since 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (Colorado legalized marijuana for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in 2012.) Furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented only 7 percent of total fatalities in Colorado, but in 2012 they represented 16 percent of total Colorado fatalities."

 

It would appear that you are a way off base. I talked about the medical problems. You quoted law enforcement issues.

 

I tend to think if those who want to criminalize others for using marijuana are some of the worse kinds of people around.

You may not like it, and you may be deluded by things you've heard, but you really have no right to deny others their freedom because they see it differently. It comes as no surprise that the legalization issue tends to follow political lines. After all liberals are all about expanding rights and freedoms. Connservatives are about restricting rights and freedoms and then falsely claiming that are not authoritarians.

 

I have every right to express my opinion. Your rhetoric would deny me that right.

 

It doesn't matter.

No. For one, you have no right to limit other people's choices just because you don't like them. Keep the government out of personal choices.

Secondly, the war on drugs is a total failure that has made war zones out of the cities, has funded gangs and drug cartels which are often more heavily armed than the cops, made criminals out of otherwise law-abiding, productive citizens, made criminals out of children, overloaded the courts, law enforcement, and the prisons, and has cost trillions. And the drug problems are as bad as they ever were.

All else aside, what is the evidence that drug laws work?

 

It effects everyone differently.

I can't take even one hit of it and function. Its comparable to the most drunk I have ever been. I won't touch the stuff, and its legal here.

One of my good friends, otoh suffered depression, anxiety, alcoholism, suicidal tendencies, was verbally abusive to his family and a constant trouble causer/seeker for years before he starting using marijuana regularly. Since then, he's been a reliable worker, effective provider, supportive and active father, and all around content family man, if occassionally a bit forgetful and 'spacey'. A definite net-positive as a direct result of regular marijuana use, where various attempts at prescription medications all failed to improve or exascerbated his problems. Marijuana saved his family and probably his life.

IME, it does tend to make people more lazy and foggy-headed. But also IME those people tend to suffer far worse conditions without it.

I think most folks prolly would be better off avoiding it or drastically limiting their usage. But that should be up to each individual.

I don't think theres any argument to be made to restrict marijuana any more than alcohol.

 

And we all know how hard it has always been for people to get illegal drugs...

 

If you go back and look, you will never find that I made a distinction about whether it was legal or illegal. It is dangerous medically. Especially mentally for young people. It harms their brains forever.

 

It is far less of a "drug" than oxycontin and other legal big pharma opioids that have jacked with tens of thousands of young people's lives.

You know what else jacks with our young people's lives? Infinity wars where we allow kids to fight that are not even old enough to have a beer or smoke a cigarette.

And I'm permanently brain damaged. Really? I have a Masters Degree in Chemical Engineering, Gee, I could have had a PhD in Quantum Physics? I smoked so much pot in high school that I impressed even myself. 11th Grade was a banner year - stoned every day and quite pleased with the achievement. You haven't a clue....

 

But you DO want pot to be illegal, correct?
Lots of things people use can cause harm to people. Should we ban everything that can cause harm to people?

 

Call it whatever you want. It affects your brain and the smoke affects your lungs and respiratory system.

There are numerous studies which show its permanent effect on the brain of young people. Generally, for anyone under twenty five. Denial is one of its predominant effects.