Marine demands senior leaders accept 'accountability' for Afghanistan, gets removed from position

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The war Obama said we should be in.
     
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    Bush was President, not Obama
     
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    Obama was Senator, so yeah he owns it(the entire political establishment owns it.) In addition, we as citizens own it because: A: "That's not who we are" and B: The rules of engagement crippling our forces. If not for those meaningless political factors, our men and women would've completed the mission.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama never called for a 20+ year war
     
  5. Hoosier8

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    Obama was Illinois Senator and on the rise. He fully supported going into Afghanistan.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Fascinating how the powers that be inside the Beltway would not let Trump finish it 2 years ago....
     
  7. FreshAir

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    Biden is a real President, no one had to let him do it, he just did it

    70% of Americans wanted this war ended, Biden ended it
     
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    We all wanted to end it. I was bitching at the beginning when Dubya and Dick started it under the false pretenses of the attacks at WTC, but nobody listened.

    Trump wanted to end it too, but the powers that be would not let it happen, and that includes the sorry liberals that run Hollywood.
     
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    I also was critical of Bush for starting this war, that is when I entered politics actually, before that, never gave politics a second thought really

    I supported Bush at first as thought it would just be a quick air strike, but then on and on it went and then Iraq... that was too much

    Trump could have been like Biden and ended the war under his watch, he chose not too
     
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    The record shows he tried to do that. The record shows he knuckled under to pressure from inside the Beltway and other places. Trump is no hero of mine, but the record is clear.
     
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    yes, Biden did not knuckle under pressure, that is what I was saying, Trump did
     
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    everyone did, but most did not support a 20+ year war

    most wanted a quick military air strike blowing a bunch of their stuff up like we had seen prior to that

    Bush then added Iraq to the list, Trump the decider thought this was a religious war, and he was doing God's work
     
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    How is this different than what Vindaman did?

    Please explain, and please be specific.
     
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    Obama perpetuated the war for 8 straight years, and lied to the American public the whole time to keep it going.

    Documents Reveal U.S. Officials Misled Public on War in ...
    https://www.nytimes.com › World › Asia Pacific

    Aug 29, 2021 — Key takeaways in Afghanistan war documents. ... the White House oversee the war in Afghanistan in both the Bush and Obama administrations.

    'The Afghanistan Papers' Reveals How Officials Knew The US ...
    https://www.wbur.org › hereandnow › 2021/08/30 › af...

    Aug 30, 2021 — There was an interview we obtained with [Lt. Gen.] Douglas Lute, who is the war czar for both Bush and [former President Barack] Obama, and he ...
     
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    Biden was part of the faction that applied the pressure to Trump.
     
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    yep, Bush, Obama and Trump kicked the can.... Biden ended the war
     
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    He doesn't want consistency.

    WRIST, SLAPPED: Marine Who Was Imprisoned for Speaking Against Afghanistan Incompetence Receives Surprise Sentence.
    "Further, the judge blasted command for the pre-trial detention and for leaking records to try to make the defendant look bad."

    If these leaksere felonies there should be felony charges.

    “This was an attempted railroading that was headed off by a clear-minded judge who saw what was happening. That speaks to a deep rot still existent within the military.”

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    American Hero
     
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    Obama facilitated a 20 year war. Like Trump, he had an opportunity to end it, but he didn't.

    Obama is a CIA asset, Trump was not.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Oh yea, and he knew when he made the video a courts martial would result, the military has no option he must face a courts martial for the insubordination.
     
  20. Mushroom

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    If the leaks were "felony charges", he never would have been recommended for a Special Court Martial.

    Special Court Martials are not used for felony level charges.
     
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