Mass shootings at New Zealand mosques kill 49

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  1. MMC

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    He also praised the Chinese Government. You know a Communist Government. A leftist government. Which that isn't so surprising.
     
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    Actually its not. Since there is no Right to own or possess firearms including for purposes of self defense.


    The New Zealand Police operate a firearms licensing system, but only certain classes of weapons are registered, namely handguns, military style semiautomatics, and restricted weapons. In order to possess these types of weapons license holders must also obtain license endorsements, which can be granted in limited circumstances. Permits to procure such weapons must also be obtained. The licensing system includes background and reference checks, as well as safety training and a written test. The Police inspect and approve firearm storage before issuing licenses and endorsements. Law changes in 1992 aimed at further restricting access to firearms included stricter firearm storage requirements, prohibiting the sale of ammunition to non-licensed persons, and new processes relating to mail order purchases of firearms and ammunition.

    There are estimated to be about 1.1 million firearms in New Zealand—about one for every four people. The rate of deaths involving firearms has decreased in the past twenty years, including those resulting from assault, suicide, and accidents. The authors of one study suggested that the 1992 law changes contributed to a “detectable reduction in firearm suicides.” Another study concluded that New Zealand has seen “the most pronounced decline in firearm homicide over the past two decades” compared to Australia and Canada.

    In New Zealand, the licensing of gun owners and restrictions on firearm sales are governed by the Arms Act 19831] and regulations made under that legislation: the Arms Regulations 19922] and the Arms (Restricted Weapons and Specially Dangerous Airguns) Order 1984.3] Several provisions in these instruments were recently amended by the Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012.4] The New Zealand Police (the Police) is the body responsible for administering firearms legislation. There is no right to own or possess firearms under New Zealand law, including for the purposes of self-defense.....snip~

    https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/newzealand.php

    And yes the link was already posted in the thread. So you can't say you were confused.
     
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    :roflol: NZ explosive device laws pretty lax too? NZ abolished the death penalty, but if you read the manifesto, that didn't matter anyway. The terrorist expected to survive, but was absolutely prepared to die in the attack ... per his manifesto musings. The terrorists constructed bombs. So GUNZ aren't necessarily a critical component anyway.
     
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    what I find so perplexing is that there are people that just can't realize there are monsters in the world. White, black, yellow, brown! The real travesty is innocent people lost their lives from vicious criminals bent on terror. The other travesty is people trying to use this as political ammunition!
     
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    Didn't take AOC long to start tweeting about the NRA. Lefty gonna go left.
     
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    Evidently, she has a problem with people extending their thoughts and prayers to the victims, too. :boo:
     
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    I wonder if we’re gonna get any more condescending lecturers about gun control from roo land anytime soon.
     
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    Evidently she thinks the NRA started the thoughts and prayers bit. Mums the word with those religious leaders.

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    The lines become blurred when lefties start blaming Donald Trump for the shootings.
     
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    Big blaring headline including "rightwing extremist" . The defn. of "rightwing" has become as skewed as "racist" The Left's defn. of "rightwing" is anyone not a Stalinist, has been since Stalin wanted to distinguish hisself from his Leftist Nazi buddies.
     
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    The end result of this nutter's actions will be a scrubbing of conservative content on social media. I wouldn't be surprised to see PewDiePie scrubbed (with his 70+ million subscribers). It is doubtful that doubling down on authoritarianism will do anything other than fuel more violence.
     
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    permissive: allowing or characterized by great or excessive freedom of behavior - as opposed to, e.g., draconian: excessively harsh and severe

    Whether white supremacist Dylann Roof opening fire on a prayer service at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, Robert Gregory Bowers on Jewish congregants at Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, or Wade Michael Page on members of the Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, the Christ Church massacre is yet another instance of right-wing bigots with guns doing what right-wing bigots with guns have a record of doing.

    New Zealand will enact whatever preventative measures that New Zealanders deem necessary, but irrational hatred is the perfidious common ingredient.

    Meanwhile, all but 23 members of the U.S. House of Representatives recently joined in re-affirming a basic American value: "Condemning anti-Semitism as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contradictory to the values and aspirations that define the people of the United States and condemning anti-Muslim discrimination and bigotry against minorities as hateful expressions of intolerance that are contrary to the values and aspirations of the United States."

    Let's do whatever is needed to reduce the frequency of such hateful expressions of intolerance.
     
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    Doesn't make a difference how many times you demonstrate to people that the Nazis where socialist they STILL call them "rightwing".. Stalin started that to distinguish his brand of genocidal totalitarianism from Hitler's. These are not ours .. they are yours.
     
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    Ah, I see, you're just a giant hypocrite, then. We'll just call you as such, and you can whine some more about the mean ol' lefties after a decade of this forum deriding ALL Muslims and Islam for every single terrorist attack. I've never, ever seen you come out of your pit to attack them for it. Strange... wait no, sorry, hypocritical.
     
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    Weird ideas? the NRA was founded to protect our gun rights.. So are they weird to try to allow the laws that protect us from genocidal govts such as those that murdered and starved over 100 millions unarmed people in the last century? the only reason there is ANY freedom in the world is because there is still a group of well armed citizens in existence.
     
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    You seem to think that any country which isn't the United States, but still allows gun ownership through a licensing system, is somehow restrictive just by the sheer comparison of their system with the United State's Wild West attitude towards ownership. That's retarded.
     
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    this was a Fanatical Christian attacking a Mosque... but I agree, Muslim fanatics do have a history of doing bad things too...

    the thing we need to remember is most Muslims and Christians are good people
     
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    not that it matters, where do you get that, he said he started down this path two years ago in 2017

    the second part I agree with
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand#Current_firearm_law

    Uh what is you definition of "particularly strict" then? Self defense is not recognized as a valid purpose, the hoops that must be jumped through to purchase are absurd etc.
    "To be issued with a firearms licence, the applicant must be a fit and proper person over the age of 16. They also need to have adequate secure storage for firearms, attend a safety program administered by the Mountain Safety Council, pass a written safety test, pay the requisite fee, and supply passport-standard photographs with their application. Police also individually interview the applicant and two referees, one of whom must be a close relative and the other unrelated, to determine the applicant's suitability for a license. The applicant's residence is also visited to check for appropriate storage of firearms and ammunition and to ensure any other people living there are not a security risk. Having criminal associations or a history of domestic violence almost always leads to a licence being refused. An application can be refused if the applicant has indicators of drug or alcohol abuse, criminal associations, a history of domestic violence, or a physical, mental health or disability issue that would prevent them possessing or using a firearm safely. Previous denied applications or revoked licences may also be cause for denial."

    That's rather strict.
     
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    In fact, neo-nazis in America embraced trumpery with great enthusiasm, the Daily Stormer venerating the Trump as their "God Emperor!" and applauding his mealy-mouthed absolution of right-wing extremists in their deadly attack in Charlottesville:

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    yeah, cause those kinda rules make it very hard for people to own and operate cars
     
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    Crazy he got so many. The video didnt look like that much.

    The whole time I watched it, I kept thinking "one person with a concealed carry could stop this whole thing".

    Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
     
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    Of course that part about not being a Right, and then showing what guns they put a restrictive amendment on. Puts that into a real perspective of reality. Which clearly isn't retarded.

    Yet only the intellectual left would look to play on some comparison with the US. Especially when none is given and they compare a stat with Canada and Australia.
     
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    just like few carry a gun in Churches, I assume few carry a gun in a Mosques
     
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